EOS-1D Mark IV [Archive] - The-Digital-Picture.com Community

greggf

10-20-2009, 01:07 AM

It's on the Canon main website.....

crosbyharbison

10-20-2009, 01:23 AM

A few links to check out:

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modeli d=19584 ("http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modeli d=19584)

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10044-10310 ("http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10044-10310)

http://www.pdngearguide.com/gearguide/content_display/news/e3i7d72e67f57c981694a5866b4e6d19841 ("http://www.pdngearguide.com/gearguide/content_display/news/e3i7d72e67f57c981694a5866b4e6d19841)

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2009/10/19/lights-out-camera-action/ ("http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2009/10/19/lights-out-camera-action/)

bob williams

10-20-2009, 01:26 AM

Thats the one I have waiting for------Hmmm, But is it still the 1.3 Crop factor?, My guess is YES. no matter---I want it real bad, guess the mortgage payment"s" will have to wait. Bryan, whats the problem, the picture isn't even on your review list yet[:^)]

ShutterbugJohan

10-20-2009, 01:50 AM

But is it still the 1.3 Crop factor?

Yes. And 16 MP. Looks great!

jcmeza_21

10-20-2009, 02:17 AM

Do you think the 5d Mark II will be replaced soon? Dual Digic IV, 19 point AF system, built in flash transmitter, etc....

Daniel Browning

10-20-2009, 02:51 AM

Do you think the 5d Mark II will be replaced soon? Dual Digic IV, 19 point AF system, built in flash transmitter, etc....
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My guess is no. Canon stated that they were planning a new firmware ("http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Digital_Photography/Still_Cameras/K2B2J6P7) to enable 24p/25p sometime in the second half of 2010. If there was a replacement 5D Mark III coming out around that time, it would take some of the wind out of the "sales". I'd guess the 5D3 will be at least another 9 months, if not two years like the last upgrade.

jcmeza_21

10-20-2009, 03:54 AM

I'm dying to buy a 5dMarkII but hesitant of it being replaced. LIke my brother who purchased a Nikon D300 and a few months later the D700 comes out dropping the price of his 300 down!!! Just don't want that to happen to me.

I got the 24-70 L and the 70-200 2.8L IS waiting to be fitted with the 5dMII. 8D

msmaneri1991

10-20-2009, 04:31 AM

I am wondering why they would drop to 1.3x from the ever popular full frame.

wickerprints

10-20-2009, 04:45 AM

I am wondering why they would drop to 1.3x from the ever popular full frame.
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They never "dropped" to anything. The 1D series has *always* been APS-H format. The 1Ds Mark IV will be announced in 2010.

Benjamin

10-20-2009, 08:06 AM

To go from the MK3 to MK4 feels like to go from 2009 Porsche Turbo to 2010 Porsche Turbo - it's a newer, better engineered car, but overall it's exactly the same as the old one that share the same frog like exterior. So not a revolution at all.

On the other hand, to jump from Nikon D2H to D3, D2x to D3x is like to jump from Jaguar X-Type to XF, from old XJ to the all new XJ - it is a revolution in every measurable way.

Can't believe in two and half years Canon didn't even change a thing on ergonomics given that the ergonomics on the MK3 is not exactly perfect, and it look exactly the same too. I remember Canon has once been know by its innovative steps, but with the MK4 it's different.

Finally, an 1.3x sensor is found once again.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but I'm disappointed.

Ben

alexniedra

10-20-2009, 09:02 AM

Awesome!

I was wondering whether they would have the Mark IV in production for Vancouver 2010.. Looks like the answer is yes.

I'm curious to see how this new body works in the field...

Vince

10-20-2009, 09:03 AM

WAFKT

10-20-2009, 09:56 AM

I am kind agree with Benjamin, so if you own MK3 right now maybe no need to upgrade to MK4, unless you really love or thinkthe "New" focus function make lots different~ And ya HD video :)

For me I will get new MK3 with great discount price !

I think the biggest deal about the new 1D MkIV is the low light sensitivity (Vincent Laforet's video is impressive) - unparalleled by any other Canon camera (although it will be interesting to see if the claim holds true once we see some test shots). If someone is primarily a daytime outdoor shooter,you're right, they're likely just fine sticking with the 1D MkIII (unless of course increased resolution or video are important to their workflow, but if that were the case then the 5D MkII would likely be a better fit for the job, so long as burst rate can be sacrificed and AF is satisfactory). But for a lot of people who shoot indoors (or even outdoors in low light conditions, e.g. high school football game) with horrible lighting the MkIV is likely to be incredibly valuable. And with 16MP you could possibly afford to shoot with a shorter wider lens and crop to a comparative 10MP image which is usually plenty big enough for most uses. I'm already thinking that for gymnasium sports I'll have my 70-200mm f/2.8L IS on the the new 1D MkIV and my 50mm f/1.2L II (or 24mm f/1.4L II) on my 'old' (1 month) 1D MkIII. While not as impressive of an evolution as I had hoped, still impressed none the less.

Fred Doane

10-20-2009, 10:15 AM

To go from the MK3 to MK4 feels like to go from 2009 Porsche Turbo to 2010 Porsche Turbo - it's a newer, better engineered car, but overall it's exactly the same as the old one that share the same frog like exterior. So not a revolution at all.

On the other hand, to jump from Nikon D2H to D3, D2x to D3x is like to jump from Jaguar X-Type to XF, from old XJ to the all new XJ - it is a revolution in every measurable way.

Can't believe in two and half years Canon didn't even change a thing on ergonomics given that the ergonomics on the MK3 is not exactly perfect, and it look exactly the same too. I remember Canon has once been know by its innovative steps, but with the MK4 it's different.

Finally, an 1.3x sensor is found once again.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but I'm disappointed.

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Ben,

I think your looking at it the wrong way. If your a current 1D Mark III owner I can see why you'd say it's not a big upgrade, it isn't! Just as nearly anyone that is a 50D owner probably doesn't see the 7D as a significant enough upgrade to shell out another $1,700. As a 1Ds Mark III owner I can already tell you when the 1Ds Mark IV comes out IWONT be buying it. Even though it will have a newest highest MP sensor, full HD video, the new 920,000 pixel screen, etc... it won't be a large enough change for another 8G's. Will people looking at the specs fall in love with the new 30MP sensor, full HD video, the new 920,000 pixel screen, etc... damn skippy. I'm curious what upgrades would have made you want to run out and buy one?

All that said I think the new 1D Mark IV is a big upgrade and I am seriously considering it now. 10MP just wasn't enough for me but the new sensor has 160% more pixels, HD video, the new screen, more cross type focusing points, etc... Nikon has just recently caught up to the times with the D3X but there lenses are lacking IMHO.

Fred~

but overall it's exactly the same as the old one that share the same frog like exterior.

P.S. I like my frog like exterior. It keeps the rain out. [;)]

peety3

10-20-2009, 11:13 AM

Do you think the 5d Mark II will be replaced soon? Dual Digic IV, 19 point AF system, built in flash transmitter, etc....
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It was on a relatively slow replacement cycle the first time around. I see little reason why they'd change that now. They'll have their hands full with production of the new 1D, completion and production of a new 1Ds (usually follows the 1D by 3-6 months I think), probably a replacement on the three-digit and/or four-digit series, and then a replacement in the two-digit series.

Mark Elberson

10-20-2009, 11:14 AM

I can't believe this!

"a spectacular ISO range of 100 - 12800 (up to 102400 in H3 mode)" ("http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modeli d=19584)

peety3

10-20-2009, 11:18 AM

To go from the MK3 to MK4 feels like to go from 2009 Porsche Turbo to 2010 Porsche Turbo - it's a newer, better engineered car, but overall it's exactly the same as the old one that share the same frog like exterior. So not a revolution at all.

On the other hand, to jump from Nikon D2H to D3, D2x to D3x is like to jump from Jaguar X-Type to XF, from old XJ to the all new XJ - it is a revolution in every measurable way.

Can't believe in two and half years Canon didn't even change a thing on ergonomics given that the ergonomics on the MK3 is not exactly perfect, and it look exactly the same too. I remember Canon has once been know by its innovative steps, but with the MK4 it's different.

Finally, an 1.3x sensor is found once again.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone, but I'm disappointed.
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If you don't like it, don't buy it. If you really don't like it, I'm sure Nikon or Sony would love the business. There's no rule that says you have to replace your existing camera with the replacement model. Canon has two different models with a full-frame sensor (one less expensive than the 1D, one more expensive), so pick one of those if that's what you want. There are four current models with 1.6x sensors (one in each line, from one-digit to four-digit), so pick one of those if that's what you want.

I for one think it's a fantastic upgrade. More cropability on the output, more ISO. I'm in the market for a second body (Rebel as backup to 1D just doesn't cut it), and was hoping this was coming soon. Now, I have to wait for Ritz to regain the ability to order and sell Canon (Ritz card, 10 months no interest, hey it works for me).

jimr

10-20-2009, 12:11 PM

Yet another site; Canon EOS-1D Mark IV Sample Images & Movie:
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos1dm4/

The 1D Mark IV does seem impressive. It appears that the built in microphone works while shooting video. To me it appears the video add-on features look useful in a DSLR. But it is a camera first and I hope the Mark IV is representative of that.

I am looking forward to some real world reviews.

JJphoto

10-20-2009, 12:29 PM

Yet another site; Canon EOS-1D Mark IV Sample Images & Movie:
http://web.canon.jp/imaging/eosd/samples/eos1dm4/

the highest iso it shows is only 3200(sample pictures), I want to see some pictures taking with iso like 12800, H1, H2 and H3

the shulter speed will turn from 1/5sec(iso100) to 1/5940sec(isoH3)!

Dave Johnston

10-20-2009, 05:37 PM

I have a new purpose in life, and it is to own a new 1D.

All I have to do is sell my truck. [:P]

Sean Setters

10-20-2009, 06:13 PM

I have a new purpose in life, and it is to own a new 1D.

All I have to do is sell my truck. /emoticons/emotion-4.gif
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Then he'd have thousands of great looking pictures of his back yard...because he doesn't have the means (or desire) to leave it!

George Slusher

10-20-2009, 06:39 PM

Finally, an 1.3x sensor is found once again.

I'm no expert on Nikon cameras, but, if I recall correctly the research I did (correct me if I'm wrong), in order to get high burst rates (frames/sec) on Nikons, you have to select a 1.5x image. You can't get 10 fps with the full-frame image. The 1D is for sports photographers, thus the emphasis on high burst rates and buffer capacity. The 1Ds is, of course, a full-frame camera for those who don't need the high speed bursts and want more pixels.

George Slusher

10-20-2009, 07:03 PM

Canon has two different models with a full-frame sensor (one less expensive than the 1D, one more expensive)

So true--5D Mk II @ $2700, 1D Mk III @ $3700 (Adorama shows $5,000 for the Mk IV), and a mind-blowing $6,114.95 for the 1Ds. (For about the same, you could get the 1D Mk III and the 5D Mk II.

There are four current models with 1.6x sensors
(one in each line, from one-digit to four-digit), so pick one of those
if that's what you want.

There are actually 5 models: Rebel XS (1000D), XSi (450D), & T1i (500D); 50D; 7D.

Daniel Browning

10-20-2009, 07:16 PM

I'm no expert on Nikon cameras, but, if I recall correctly the research I did (correct me if I'm wrong), in order to get high burst rates (frames/sec) on Nikons, you have to select a 1.5x image. You can't get 10 fps with the full-frame image.
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Here's the actual numbers:

D3 full frame: 9 FPS

D3 in 1.5X DX mode: 11 FPS

D3s full frame: 11 FPS

George Slusher

10-20-2009, 07:23 PM

OK, I looked up the Nikon cameras:

Nikon D3x - FX (1x) - 24.5MP @ 5 fps; DX (1.5x) - 10 MP @ 7 fps - costs $8,000.

Nikon D3 - FX - 12.1 MP @ 9 fps; DX, 5 MP (2784 x 1848) @ 11 fps - costs $5,000.

compared to:

Canon 1D Mk III - 1.3x - 10.1 MP 10 fps, costs $3,700

Canon 1D Mk IV - 1.3x - 16.1 MP @ 10 fps, may cost $5,000

and, for reference:

Canon 1Ds Mk III - 1x - 24.1 MP @ 5 fps, cost $6,115

I can't speak of the ergonomics, as I've not used any of those. I don't like the smaller Nikons for the same reason I don't like the Canon Rebels--too cramped. That's why I went for a (used) 30D and may replace it with a 50D early next year. (Gotta pay real estate taxes this fall!)

George Slusher

10-20-2009, 07:50 PM

D3s full frame: 11 FPS

I checked the Nikon page ("http://www.nikonusa.com/Find-Your-Nikon/Product/Digital-SLR/25466/D3S.html) and it says 9 fps for FX, 11 fps for DX, like the D3. I'm not sure what the difference is between the D3 & D3s, other than $200. I don't need to spend the time to find out, either. I ain't buyin' no Nikon, not with $7800 invested in Canon lenses (nearly all bought used), not counting the 5 I need to sell (paid $1800).

Don't get me wrong--9 fps is very good, especially for those of us used to 5 fps (30D) or even 6.3 fps (50D) or 6.5 fps (40D). I doubt that +/- 1 fps is a "killer" factor in a sports photographer's buying decision.

freelanceshots

10-20-2009, 08:28 PM

alexniedra

10-20-2009, 09:42 PM

Although the noise performance is yet to be revealed, just imagine what you can do with ISO 102400 at f/1.2...That top end ISO figure still impresses me.

Even with noise, I'm sure any professional photojournalist is ready to take the picture and noise over no picture.

The numbers look impressive, although I agree with posters like Benjamin - It would have been nice to see some fresher features in this new body.

All in all, looks great to me. And just in time for Vancouver 2010. I'm sure a lot of the folks over at Getty and AP will be happy.

Would I buy one? Nope. But I'm sure a lot of press and sports photographers will. Even if I had $4500 to spend. If I had that money, I'd get a 300 f/2.8 instead.

bob williams

10-20-2009, 09:53 PM

HMMM, in the last two years I have jumped from an XTI to a 50D. I fully realize that those of you shooting with a pro body or even a 5d or 5dII have a lot to question about the new 1d mk IV; with the 50D, i couldn't justify the cost of the new7D.From my standpoint, the 1DIV looks like everything I have been missing. Frame rate, weather sealing, metering system, AF system, high ISO, dual processorsand even a slightly larger sensor--not a full size, but better than what I haveat the moment.Yes, I would love to have a full size sensor but that comes at twice the price or will. Though I havn't seen any "real" reviews of this camera yet, on paper it looks like a camera I could be happy with for the next 3-5 years, and I would be more willing to pay for it than I would a 5dII or a 1dIII. Personally, I think Canon found a way to lure us crop body users into the pro market---good job Canon.

Benjamin

10-20-2009, 09:58 PM

I'm curious what upgrades would have made you want to run out and buy one?
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Keep everything the 1D IV has already had, make it FF -- that's all I wanted. I know it's a sport camera for journalists, but I hate my 16-35 looks like a 21-45mm lens in the viewfinder.

I'm not getting a 5D II cuz I don't think it can take much abuse. The autofocus is not sufficient and the speed is slow for what i need. I find that what's actually in my mind is something that close to the D3s... But you are right, you made a good point.

I think what i will really do is to finish my university first, then my 50D will turn 3 and it will be time to find a mint 1Ds III and stick to it for a very, very long time. =)

Ben

freelanceshots

10-20-2009, 09:59 PM

Good point about the 300/2.8 IS lens purchase. You have my vote. Someone may ask though what are you thinking the 1D IV needed to make it a break through camera worth a big release. I'd say I'm not Japinese and I don't get paid the big bucks to design cameras but how about a new pro body that has no moving shutter. Thats where DSLR's are headed so why not break it out now!

Fast Glass

10-20-2009, 10:53 PM

I still don't understand, why do you need a shutter? In live view you don't use the shutter....[8-)]

freelanceshots

10-21-2009, 12:50 AM

canoli

10-21-2009, 01:06 AM

HiFiGuy1

10-21-2009, 02:33 AM

This looks like the camera of my dreams for the most part (well, full-frame would have been nice [:)]), but I do wish it at least had all the features of the 7D. I find this odd. I picked up a 7D at Best Buy and played with it for a few minutes, and immediately thought the attitude/horizon indicator was a great feature. I imagined how useful it would be with a ball head that didn't have built-in bubble level(s). Now I read that the brand-spanking new 1D Mark IV doesn't include the feature. WTH?

I am really interested to read Bryan's in-depth review of this camera body. I am prepared to love it, especially if the AF system has the kinks worked out. I really am not that interested in the video part for now, though that may change if I had one and tried it. If he gushes over it, I may have to start selling some guitars!

HiFiGuy1

10-21-2009, 02:35 AM

Well this upgrade won't affect me as I have no plans to buy it, but I'm curious when I see reviewers continually asking for more than a 3-shot bracket, why Canon hasn't answered the bell on that one yet.

I guess sports pros don't bracket all that much and it's more of a reviewer complaint, rather than a field-tested liability. But the newer Nikons all go to at least 5 right? I don't know, maybe it's an overrated option. But if it's not Canon ought to get with the program...

just wondering...

[edit: I tell you what I will be buying however. Did anyone check out the accessories page, where you can get a 1GB CF card for only $84.99? Only $84.99! For an entire ONE GIGABYTE card. Wow how times have changed!]

just to leave it on a positive note (and so the fanboys don't get mad!), I have to say moving around 16.1MP files at 10fps is pretty amazing. I love the 6.5 on my 40D; it's hard to imagine getting such huge rez at 10fps.

canoli,

My understanding, not having owned one myself, is that EOS 1D bodies can bracket nine shots. I am pretty sure it is at least seven. My 40D can do three, so that's nothing to write home about.

EDIT:

Here is this from the official Canon site. It appears capable of bracketing seven shots.

"Exposure Compensation (user-set): +/-3 stops in 1/3- or 1/2-stop increments.
Auto Bracketing (AEB): 3 shots, up to +/- 3 stops, in 1/3 or 1/2 stop increments, in all exposure modes. Can be changed via C.Fn I-6 to 2, 5, or 7 shots. Bracketing order can be changed via C.Fn I-5."

greggf

10-21-2009, 02:38 AM

canoli wrote

Well this upgrade won't affect me as I have no plans to buy it, but I'm
curious when I see reviewers continually asking for more than a 3-shot
bracket, why Canon hasn't answered the bell on that one yet.

both the 1Ds3 and the 1D3 (and maybe the older 1D's) you can do 3,5, or 7 bracketed shots without going into the menu system. That really should be in the lower cameras, too, but I'm not Canon!!

peety3

10-21-2009, 08:39 AM

both the 1Ds3 and the 1D3 (and maybe the older 1D's) you can do 3,5, or 7 bracketed shots without going into the menu system. That really should be in the lower cameras, too, but I'm not Canon!!
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It does take a visit to the menus to preset how many bracketed shots you want (2,3,5,7). Once that's set, pressing AF/Drive button and the Mode button simultaneously lets you dial up the bracket by 1/3-stop intervals. You'll see the 2/3/5/7 shots appear in the EC "bar graph". I'm slowly getting better at calling up a bracket at 2/3 or 1-stop intervals, selecting high-speed drive, selecting one-shot focus, and then getting preset for a 1/250th shutter speed. (1/250th is my target for handheld brackets, as 7 shots at 1-stop intervals means speeds of 1/2000 to 1/30, and that's usually enough to get decent shots).

Fast Glass

10-21-2009, 12:15 PM

Then how about in video mode it doesn'tuse the shutter then, and it's taking 30 pictures a second.

canoli

10-21-2009, 01:16 PM

Can be changed via C.Fn I-6 to 2, 5, or 7 shots. Bracketing order can be changed via C.Fn I-5."

Sweet! I did not know that. Makes me feel better - 'twas hard to believe these >$4K cameras couldn't bracket more than 3 shots...

Thanks for the info!

Sean Setters

10-21-2009, 01:45 PM

I know some people were anxious to see some high-ISO images from the camera, so I found some here ("http://dpinterface.com/review-galleries/canon-eos-1d-mark-iv-preview-gallery/). From the looks of it, ISO 102,400 is a joke--I don't think they should allow sucha camera to output images that look like they were captured by an ATM security camera. But, alas, something's better than nothing I suppose.

These samples are from a pre-production model, of course.

alexniedra

10-21-2009, 01:50 PM

All I can say is... ouch ("http://dpinterface.com/reviews/canon-eos-1d4-preview/gallery/A00A0824.JPG). But, I expected some pretty bad noise at this (crazy) ISO level.

But thinking about it seriously, as I mentioned before - Imagine if you had to get the shot as a professional (say, for press), I'm sure your editor would take a noisy image over no image. Just a thought.

Daniel Browning

10-21-2009, 02:06 PM

To go from the MK3 to MK4 feels like to go from 2009 Porsche Turbo to 2010 Porsche Turbo - it's a newer, better engineered car, but overall it's exactly the same as the old one that share the same frog like exterior. So not a revolution at all.

I wouldn't call it a revolution either, but it's actually more than I thought it would be. (Hm, that makes it sound like I don't have very high expectations from Canon.)

On the other hand, to jump from Nikon D2H to D3, D2x to D3x is like to jump from Jaguar X-Type to XF, from old XJ to the all new XJ - it is a revolution in every measurable way.

Nikon has a slower schedule though. Their D2H -> D3 took four years! It certainly should be revolutionary for the amount of time people waited for it. Nikon did a nice little update with the D3s (apparently even improving read noise on the sensor), but the real upgrade (D4) will probably be another two years. I think Canon follows a more rapid schedule.

Can't believe in two and half years Canon didn't even change a thing on ergonomics given that the ergonomics on the MK3 is not exactly perfect, and it look exactly the same too. I remember Canon has once been know by its innovative steps, but with the MK4 it's different.

Human interface design experts agree that the ergonomics are suboptimal, but that's an area that would be impossible for Canon to please everyone all the time, so I think the criticism is more validly aimed at areas where Canon could have made more obvious improvements but didn't.

Finally, an 1.3x sensor is found once again.

Personally, I think that's a huge advantage for the majority of the target demographic. It would be nice if Canon also offered a speedy $5K 1.0x, but it shouldn't come at the cost of people who need the pixel density of 1.3x, IMHO. I understand your disappointment though.

I have a new purpose in life, and it is to own a new 1D.

All I have to do is sell my truck.

You own a vehicle!? All true photographers get around on bicycle and live in a cardboard box so that all their money can go into lenses. (Anyone who says they can't afford an 800mm f/5.6 and yet still lives in an apartment is lying. [:D])

I checked the Nikon page and it says 9 fps for FX, 11 fps for DX, like the D3.

Thanks for the correction. This seemed like such an obvious improvement for Nikon to make in the D3s, I can't believe they didn't. In two whole years they couldn't find enough CPU power to increase FPS by 2 even with the same number of pixels? Canon increased the frame rate even as they increased the number of pixels by 60%!

Although the noise performance is yet to be revealed, just imagine what you can do with ISO 102400 at f/1.2...

You don't have to imagine. Just set the ISO to 1600 and underexpose by 6 stops, then push 6 stops in post. That is the same as setting the ISO to 102,400. The real question is how much better the noise will be. For example, it was always possible to shoot ISO 25,600 with the 5D classic just by underexposing ISO 1600. The 5D2 came out and improved the noise a lot, but not as much as the difference in ISO settings indicate.

That top end ISO figure still impresses me.

I could caution you to not be impressed. According to the top end ISO figure, the 21 MP 5D2 is 4 stops better than the 21 MP 1Ds Mark III. In fact it is not nearly that much better (I think closer to 1 stop). The 1D Mark III top end is 6400, and the 1D Mark IV is 102,400. It will certainly not be four stops better! I hope it will be one stop better, though.

Many modern pocket sized cameras don't use shutters where its all electronic. Think about it, possibly higher sync numbers, no mechanism to wear out, more cost efecient to make, no noise if you want it, and no shutter vibration.

I would love that! The trick will be to completely replace the optical viewfinder with an EVF. Then we can dedicated the entire mirror just to phase detect autofocus, or not use PDAF at all. Plus there are possibilities for new and better lens designs... the future will be interesting.

I know some people were anxious to see some high-ISO images from the camera, so I found some here ("http://dpinterface.com/review-galleries/canon-eos-1d-mark-iv-preview-gallery/).
From the looks of it, ISO 102,400 is a joke--I don't think they should
allow sucha camera to output images that look like they were captured
by an ATM security camera. But, alas, something's better than nothing
I suppose.

That's expected. It seems Nikon and Canon are only now realizing that consumers can be fooled into thinking the ISO setting corresponds to actual performance. In reality the two are often divorced.

mattsartin

10-21-2009, 02:29 PM

still impressed with the improved high ISO performance, not so much with H1, H2 or H3. but ISO 12,800 looks like my ISO 1600 on my XTi, plus if you run that through noise reduction software in post processing you could get a fairly clean usable image. i like the 1.3x sensor too, i have a feeling nightime sports photographers have been waiting on this camera for sometime. the 5D Mk II is still an excellent full frame option and the 1Ds Mk IV isn't far away so i think the complaints about APS-H will blow over soon enough. As for not changing the body? if it ain't broke don't fix it [:D] happy shooting

Sinh Nhut Nguyen

10-21-2009, 02:31 PM

wow, the Mark IV came out? looks like I was late for the party, just found out today...anybody wants to buy my 2-year old 40D, on its 2nd 30k-click shutter, the camera has only been heavily used at least 3 times a week under sea spray, salty and sandy air?? Anyways Mark IV looks like one heck of a camera, and I'm glad that they keep it at 1.3, if you want fullframe there will be the 1Ds Mark IV. The crop factor really helps for some type of photgraphy.

Fast Glass

10-21-2009, 05:32 PM

George Slusher

10-21-2009, 05:56 PM

You own a vehicle!? All true photographers get around on bicycle and live in a cardboard box so that all their money can go into lenses. (Anyone who says they can't afford an 800mm f/5.6 and yet still lives in an apartment is lying. /emoticons/emotion-2.gif)

Yeah, and I live in front of B&H Photo in a T-shirt tent with a 120K piece of glass!/emoticons/emotion-2.gif
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Alright -- to which one of you should I send the bill for cleaning the Diet Coke off my iMac's screen? [co]

Dave Johnston

10-21-2009, 06:17 PM

Alright -- to which one of you should I send the bill for cleaning the Diet Coke off my iMac's screen? /emoticons/emotion-36.gif
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At least you were drinking diet, now the ants won't come to take your computer away. [H]

Fast Glass

10-21-2009, 06:24 PM

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You own a vehicle!? All true photographers get around on bicycle and live in a cardboard box so that all their money can go into lenses. (Anyone who says they can't afford an 800mm f/5.6 and yet still lives in an apartment is lying. /emoticons/emotion-2.gif)

Yeah, and I live in front of B&H Photo in a T-shirt tent with a 120K piece of glass!/emoticons/emotion-2.gif
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Alright -- to which one of you should I send the bill for cleaning the Diet Coke off my iMac's screen? /emoticons/emotion-36.gif
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Wait till you see the greatpictures of peoples noses from downtown![:D]