SOLD: CyberSync Blowout Sale!

[Mark Elberson]

All items include UPS Shipping and comes with original box / packaging.


Payments via PayPal to : mark@markelbersonphotography.com ("mark@markelbersonphotography.com)


Like New Condition.


Cyber Commander : $100 ("http://www.alienbees.com/cc.html)


CSRB+ CyberSync™ Receiver Plus : $50 ("http://www.alienbees.com/csrplus.html)


CSRB+ CyberSync™ Receiver Plus : $50 ("http://www.alienbees.com/csrplus.html)


CSRB+ CyberSync™ Receiver Plus : $50 ("http://www.alienbees.com/csrplus.html)


CSRB+ CyberSync™ Receiver Plus : $50 ("http://www.alienbees.com/csrplus.html)

[Sean Setters]

I'll take 'em all. Paypal sent.

[Jayson]

man...I was looking to buying some too. Early bird gets the worm!

[Sean Setters]

Jayson-


I was planning on replacing (4) of my CSRBs (non-"+" versions) with these. If you

[Mark Elberson]

I was planning on replacing (4) of my CSRBs (non-"+" versions) with these. If you're just needing CSRBs, then let me know and we can likely work something out. Then you'd just need the CST from PCB.


Ah, the circle of life...

[btaylor]

Gees that was quick. I don

[andnowimbroke]

Lots of red tape in selling your soul;)

[neuroanatomist]

I saw your post first thing this morning, Mark, before Sean

[Sean Setters]

You know, I gave it less consideration than usual when parting with the cash. It was unusual how decisive I was. :-)


At least you have your consolation shipments en route...

[HDNitehawk]

I have the same story as Neuro,I saw the post this morning and while I was mulling it over Sean bought it. Only difference in my story is that the Pocketwizard

[neuroanatomist]

I

[HDNitehawk]

Rick, you might want to check your cart. Adorama has them (at least, they had two for me this afternoon ;).


John


Yea it was empty, I was going to buy 1 mini and two flex's just as you did. I am in the same boat as you, only one 580ex so I was going to order another flash as well.


I was thinking of buying the same, stands, moonlights and umbrellas. My problem is ignorance, not knowing which would be the best choice. I am not in to portraits, even though family and others ask every once in a while. I would rather take a picture of tobacco worm as a human. But, I do want decent lighting when needed, I don't mind spending the money for good equipment, and I don't want to buy wrong and get junk.


That said I am glad you are looking to expand your lighting. I know you will do the research ahead of me and it will make my selections easier. [:P]

[HDNitehawk]

Rick, you might want to check your cart. Adorama has them (at least, they had two for me this afternoon ;).


John


Yea it was empty, I was going to buy 1 mini and two flex's just as you did. I am in the same boat as you, only one 580ex so I was going to order another flash as well.


I was thinking of buying the same, stands, moonlights and umbrellas. My problem is ignorance, not knowing which would be the best choice. I am not in to portraits, even though family and others ask every once in a while. I would rather take a picture of tobacco worm as a human. But, I do want decent lighting when needed, I don't mind spending the money for good equipment, and I don't want to buy wrong and get junk.


That said I am glad you are looking to expand your lighting. I know you will do the research ahead of me and it will make my selections easier. [:P]

[Keith B]

I'll probably end up with two kits - a pair of Speedlites, lightweight stands, and umbrellas (or similar lightweight mods) as a portable kit, and a pair of monolights (likely PCB White Lightning X1600s) with heavier stands and more extensive mods. We'll see. I decided to just get the triggers first, and start playing around.






I bought a X1600 about a month and 1/2 ago for a catalog shoot and I have been very very happy with it. I love the 8 stops of adjustability. I will probably pick up one more in a month or so.


I currently have a Vagabon Mini with an extra battery on order. I can't wait to get that. I have seen some really great reviews on those.

[Sean Setters]

I love off-camera flash--whether from speedlights or monos. However, I like having the versatility that mono's allow if you have the means to power them, the time to set them up, and the modifiers to make them sing.


Keith: I've actually been considering a DIY option ("http://www.flickr.com/groups/strobist/discuss/72157624299560852/) for my second monolight power source. I really like the idea of the mini, but honestly, I use the weight of my Vagabond II to weigh down my stands. So the Vagabond Mini doesn't make as much sense for my needs (but I can see where it works perfectly for others).

[Keith B]

I love off-camera flash--whether from speedlights or monos. However, I like having the versatility that mono's allow if you have the means to power them, the time to set them up, and the modifiers to make them sing.


Keith: I've actually been considering a DIY option ("http://www.flickr.com/groups/strobist/discuss/72157624299560852/) for my second monolight power source. I really like the idea of the mini, but honestly, I use the weight of my Vagabond II to weigh down my stands. So the Vagabond Mini doesn't make as much sense for my needs (but I can see where it works perfectly for others).






DIY power source...I don't have the guts. I am interested to see how that goes for you.


A lot of my shoots lately have been outdoors with 3 580EXIIs in my 36" Softlighter on a boom arm held by an assistant so a Vagabond Mini is the trick for me. So I may even consider an AB B800 just to keep weight down. I know lots of folks have told me to stay away from ABs.


I thought about the Vagabond II, a guy local to me was selling one used, but I read some speculation that the VII would probably switch to lithium in the not to distant future. Plus I have been a little weirded out by how many people are selling the II's claiming they have only used them 2-3 times.

[Keith B]

I also like the idea of the AB ring light powered by the Vagabond mini.

[Mark Elberson]

I am in the same boat as you, only one 580ex so I was going to order another flash as well.


You may want to check this ("/photography_gear1/f/10/t/5623.aspx) thread out :-)


FS: Canon Speedlite 580EX II ("/photography_gear1/f/10/t/5623.aspx)

[Mark Elberson]

I'll probably end up with two kits - a pair of Speedlites, lightweight stands, and umbrellas (or similar lightweight mods) as a portable kit, and a pair of monolights (likely PCB White Lightning X1600s) with heavier stands and more extensive mods.


This is how I work.On locationI use 430EX II's with PocketWizard MiniTT1 / FlexTT5's. In the studio I use Paul C. Buff Einstein 640 Studio Flash's. I feel that for marginal price increase the Einstein's are a better value over the White Lightning units.

[HDNitehawk]

<p sizset="39" sizcache="15"]You may want to check this ("/photography_gear1/f/10/t/5623.aspx) thread out :-)



Mark, why the switch from the 580's to the 430's?


I was thinking about buying a 430, the only reason I thought about getting a 580 is to keep my flashes the same (although I do not know if that matters)since I already have a 580.

[Mark Elberson]

Mark, why the switch from the 580's to the 430's?


The 430EX II's are probably the best performing (right out of the box) Speedlites when used in conjunction with the PocketWizard FlexTT5 system. I'm sure you've heard all about the RF-Noise issues with 580EX II's? This isn't to say that they don't work with thePocketWizard FlexTT5 system. They just don't work as well. I mostly use this setup for shooting weddings. I don't have time to throw on a AC5 RF Soft Shield ("http://www.pocketwizard.com/products/transmitter_receiver/ac5%20rf%20soft%20shield/) or an AC7 RF Hard Shield ("http://www.pocketwizard.com/products/transmitter_receiver/ac7%20rf%20hard%20shield/) when on the job. Weddings move quickly and I need to be able to react equally as fast. Most importantly though, for me, is confidence in my gear. I NEED to know that everything is going to work. I can't be wondering if my 580EX II / FlexTT5 combo is out of range. I know that there are serveral members of this forum alone that succesfully use 580EX II's with FlexTT5's but for my own mental health, I feel more comfortable using 430EX II's. If I was using my Speedlites for pretty much anything other than weddings I probably wouldn't care.


EDIT: By the way, PocketWizard FlexTT5's come with the AC5 RF Soft Shield ("http://www.pocketwizard.com/products/transmitter_receiver/ac5%20rf%20soft%20shield/)and for anyone interested in my 580EX II's I'll include a AC7 RF Hard Shield ("http://www.pocketwizard.com/products/transmitter_receiver/ac7%20rf%20hard%20shield/). They actually make a terrific umbrella holder as they position the Speedlite close to the shaft.

[neuroanatomist]

Mark, I know about using the Pocketwizard AC9 with the AB and WL monolights from PCB. How do you trigger your Einsteins with the PW system? Not critical, but can you use E-TTL (possible with TT5 + AC9 + AB or WL monolight)? Thanks!

[Mark Elberson]

Mark, I know about using the Pocketwizard AC9 with the AB and WL monolights from PCB. How do you trigger your Einsteins with the PW system? Not critical, but can you use E-TTL (possible with TT5 + AC9 + AB or WL monolight)? Thanks!


I am unaware of any monolight that has TTL capabilities. In all honesty though, in a studio situation, I prefer manual settings. Get it right once and it's always right! TTL can change from shot to shot if it gets confused. Don't get me wrong, TTL is pretty darn good and usually close enough but I like the control and repeatability of manual power settings.


Despite this thread, I still use CyberSync's to trigger my Einsteins. I use a CST ("http://www.alienbees.com/cst.html) on cameraand CSXCV's ("http://www.alienbees.com/csxcv.html) on the monolights. When the PowerMC2 ("http://www.pocketwizard.com/products/transmitter_receiver/powermc2/) comes out I will probably buy them and ditch the CyberSync's all together. CyberSync's have NEVER let me down so far but I found the Cyber Commander to be a little cumbersome.On the other hand, I absolutely love the AC3 ZoneController ("http://www.pocketwizard.com/products/transmitter_receiver/ac3%20zonecontroller/). It has three dials on it and you turn them left or right to increase or decrease the flash power. It couldn't be much easier and it all happens from your camera which is awesome. The Cyber Commander is much more complex and powerfull than the AC3 but I like the AC3 more so that's what I'll use.


EDIT: John, you could always just use your FlexTT5 with the Einsteins via the sync port. You would not have power control (dumb trigger) but thatcould hold you off until the MC2's come out. For me, I already had a CST and the CSXCV's were only $29 each so it was a no brainer. One thing I LOVE about both the CSXCV's and the up and coming MC2's is that they get their power from the light itself so that many less batteries to concern myself with :-)

[Sean Setters]

Batteries aren

[neuroanatomist]

Sorry, Mark - you

[Mark Elberson]

I want to stick with a single triggering system


You can trigger either the Einstein's or the White Lightning's with just the FlexTT5. I think you know that but I just wanted to specifically clarify :-)



that had me leaning toward the WL X1600 (along with the broad power range making it suitable for indoors or out


The Einstein's have "9 f/stop Power Variability (2.5WS to 640WS)" which is more range than any other mono light I have ever heard of!



given PW's record I won't hold my breath for the 'end of March' release


I agree 100% Combining their release record with PCB's release record could be catastrophic!! It's still better than RadioPopper's record though right :-)



The fact that you won't need to use a FlexTT5 with the Einstein (unlike the WL X1600) has me considering an alternate setup - still the two Speedlites for a portable kit, but perhaps starting off the 'at home' kit with one Einstein with a PowerMC2 as a main light, supplemented by the two Speedlites for rim/background/etc., with the ability to control all three (at least over a 6-stop range) with an AC3. Thoughts?


This sounds pretty good to me. The only caveat is if you're going to be doing much white seamless ("http://www.zarias.com/white-seamless-tutorial-part-1-gear-space/) work, the Speedlites will disapoint as background lights.



with the ability to control all three (at least over a 6-stop range) with an AC3.


With the AC3 you can even mix E-TTL and manual power control at the same time! I haven't done this but that may be cool for run-and-gun situations. 6 stops of range should be plenty too. My light power settingsare often only about 2 stops apart. How far away they are positioned as well as whether or not they have a modifier attached to them will either tighten or losen that gap even more. I usually set my key light to about 1/4 power (160 WS) which willtend give me about f/8 or f/11 @ ISO 200 depending on the modifier I am using as well as crazy fast recycle times. I'll build the rest of my setup around that starting point. If I'm shooting on white my background lights will be hotter. If I am shooting on black my kicker lights will be dialed down by a stop or two generally.


EDIT: Here are some great articles from Rob Galbraith ("http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/index.asp) regarding the AC3 and the MC2:


AC3 ZoneController ("http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-10051-10609)


PowerMC2 ("http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-10056-10988)

[HDNitehawk]

Rick, you might want to check your cart. Adorama has them (at least, they had two for me this afternoon ;).


John


Adorama did have them, I ordered 2 flex and 1 mini. Figured I better stop procrastinating, otherwise both stores would be out and I would be waiting a few months.


I downloaded the manual, all 74 pages and was going over it and came to a compatibility chart that did not show the 7D or the 1D IV. After 20 minutes of going through all the addendum's I found where one of the firmware updates included those bodies. But it sounds like, once we get these things we will have to update them?


Any way, after reading the 200 plus page owners manual of the 1D IV several times, and looking at this pocketwizard manual, I think my hobby is reading manuals and articles about photography. It seems that takes up more time than actually taking any pictures.





Mark


I have thought about your 580ex's, but I am still on the fence about which way to go.


Rick

[neuroanatomist]

Thanks again for the info and informative links, Mark!


Rick - manuals? What's all this about RTFM? Mine arrive from Adorama this morning, and I was just going to stick the MiniTT1 on the camera and a FlexTT5 on the flash and fire away. Silly me... [:P]

[Steve Combs]

Rick, Neuro, PW recommends that the FIRST thing you do is download the PC application and update ALL your updateable PW products (i.e. anything with a usb/mini-usb/micro-usb [not sure if any of these use micro usb connectors! :) ). Other than that they DO appear to be pretty much attach-n-shoot devices!

[HDNitehawk]

Steve


Thanks, from the reviews I had read everyone was saying they would have to be updated. Hopefully not to difficult.


Normally when I get something new, I take it out of the box throw the manual aside and take off using it. I find thats the best way to find out what I don

[neuroanatomist]

Thanks, Steve. They certainly do recommend updating first - there's a bright yellow sticker in the box I just opened that says just that... I'm downloading the PW Utility right now.

[neuroanatomist]

I have thought about your 580ex's, but I am still on the fence about which way to go.


I am also pondering getting a 580EX II vs. a second 430EX II. Rick, if it helps in your decision, I ran across this range table in a post by Rob Galbraith ("http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-9884-9966):


http://www.robgalbraith.com/data/1/rec_imgs/2983_pocketwizard_canon_rf_table.jpg:


The 80' range of the 580EX II is the main concern, especially since that's under 'ideal conditions' (many forum users report getting only 30-50' depending on conditions). Of course, there are many ways to extend that - the sock and hotshoe sheild that are included with the FlexTT5, the hard shield Mark linked, tweaking the positioning of the flash relative to the FlexTT5 antenna, or spearating them with an OC-E3. I suppose in a studio environment it wouldn't be a concern - at least, any studio environment I'd be likely to create at home, with limited space. But for outdoor use it could be an issue - I'd rather spend my time fiddling with the lights and modifiers and not the RF triggers.


So, for me, I'm leaning toward a second 430EX II. The other factor is that while the 580EX II is obviously more powerful than a 430EX II, for outdoor use I expect even the 580EX II will have a hard time overpowering the sun, especially through a modifier, and a second Einstein 640 is only a few bucks more than a 580EX II.


More thinking ahead...I'd certainly be interested in hearing which direction you're leaning, and why...

[HDNitehawk]

John


I had thought about adding two new 430ex. Then I started researching which softbox I wanted to buy, of course what I found out is that even the small boxes will loose an F stop or two with the 580 and from what I can tell is if the box gets to large then you have to go to the bigger lights. For that reason this morning I was thinking about buying another 580 II because of its additional power to pair with this:


[View:http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/13259-REG/Chimera_1740_Maxi_Softbox_White.html]


But, I am not really buying this to use in the house. So limiting range to 50' is a factor. I have some ideas I wanted to try and need several hundred feet of range. For those ideas I thought I would have to add a moonlight or strobe any way.


At first my thinking was keep it all the same since I already have 1 580ex they would be able to produce equal light. But really thinking about it what would that matter. So far I have ordered an umbrella and am going to get a soft box to start. The light from the two wouldn't be even any way with modifiers. For that matter in most situations I wouldn't want the flashes to be the same. So I guess my logic was flawed.


I was leaning toward adding another 580ex II, but after reading your post and mulling it over, I think it would be more logical to buy a 430ex. I could still use the softbox for close in work with the 580ex.


Now I am leaning towardadding the430ex II, and keeping my 1 580ex II and it could give me a little more diversity. I am asuming that using both flashes together wont confuse the PW's.

[Keith B]

This "soft box" is very efficient. It is shallow and wiith the silver insert you don't lose much. Nice round(ish) catch lights too. I found it is most efficient with the flash zoom set to 35mm.


www.bhphotovideo.com/.../Photek_SL_4000_Umbrella_Softlighter_II.html ("http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/42418-REG/Photek_SL_4000_Umbrella_Softlighter_II.html)





EDIT:


Turns out they have a newer one that is more geared for flashes.


http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/690335-REG/Photek_HSD_4000K_Softlighter_Hot_Shoe_Diffuser.htm l

[HDNitehawk]

Kieth


Thanks for the link. It looks like that would be very portable.


John


Thinking about this some more, why couldn't a person just use a off camera cable to move the 580ex II further away from the PW. Somthing like this:[View:http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/498744-REG/Canon_1950B001_OC_E3_Off_Camera_Shoe.html] I know it adds one other item to the equation, but wouldn't most of your RF interference be right next to the flash and positioning it even a short distance away might be enough to counter act the ineterference.


Rick

[Steve Combs]

As I understand it, using the OC3 cord will not provide a lot of "help". The 580 EX II is very, very noisy! PW has identified 2-3 sources who are capable of performing an internal modification which drastically improves the range of the ControlTL devices. Rob Galbraith has an article here: Extending the range of the PocketWizard FlexTT5 and 580EXII ("http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-10050-10598) which describes his results with the various methods.

[HDNitehawk]

Steve


That is good info.


2 Maximum to 580EX II (stock): 100ft (30.5m)


3 Maximum to 580EX II (RF modified): 340ft (103.6m), 3.4X


4 Maximum to 580EX II (stock) when wrapped in an AC5: 520ft (158.5m), 5.2X


5 Maximum to 580EX II (stock) inside an AC7: 540ft (164.6m), 5.4X


6 Maximum to 430EX II (stock): 650ft (198.1m), 6.5X


7 Maximum to 550EX (stock): 710ft (216.4m), 7.1X


It looks like with the AC5 wrap it can extend it out to 520

[Steve Combs]

Yeah, I haven

[HDNitehawk]

I went ahead and took the plunge, and ordered 1 430ex II to give it a try. I will get 1 more if it works out. The miniTT1 and one of the FlexTT5

[neuroanatomist]

So I guess the lighting adventure begins.


Indeed it does! I ordered an AC3 Zone Controller as well.


I've decided just to add another 430EX II for the time being, then once the PowerMC2 is available, I'll pick up an Einstein 640. I'm looking at a pair of Manfrotto 1051BAC stands for the Speedlites and a Manfrotto 1005 for the monolight. Modifiers will likely include a pair of 45" umbrellas (Eclipse or similar), and from PCB a 45" octabox with grid, a high output beauty dish, and a reflector with a set of honeycomb grids. Also a Manfrotto background support system and some backdrops, and a couple of Justin clamps for some additional flexibility.

[HDNitehawk]

John


I bought the 1052BAC that Bryan recomended. I recieved it yesterday and It seems very sturdy. Why the 1051BAC, is it more compact? It costs less.


I am going to buy one more stand but wanted to see how this one works, it seems to be adequate. I will be researching which strobes and moonlights to use next, but I have some time as I need to get past the learning curve on what I have bought now.


My next step with lighting, I have been scheming a way to remove the 24ex flashes off the lens to get diffrent perspectives with my macro. I am looking for a bracket system that will hook to the camera or tripod and allow me to manipulate the flashes at diffrent angles.


As for a studio set up, the wife

[neuroanatomist]

Why the 1051BAC, is it more compact? It costs less.


The 1051BAC has a smaller footprint (28" diamater vs. 40" for the 1052BAC). Although there's a tradeoff in stability, my thinking is that when working in small spaces a more stable stand with a larger base doesn't help if you trip over the legs. A two light setup can mean four stands on the floor when using a backdrop (or five if you count the tripod) - with 40" footprints on all four of them, that's a lot to trip over! Also, I plan to get the Manfrotto background support kit - that actually includes a pair of stands that are non air-cushioned versions of the 1052, so if I'm shooting outdoors and need a bigger footprint for stability with the Speedlite stands, or if I need that extra 12" of height, I can 'borrow' the 1052-type stands from the background kit.


The 1005BAC has the same 40" footprint as the 1052BAC, but it's a much sturdier stand with double the support rating (and thus more suitable for a monolight and the heavier modifiers, which I'd be reluctant to put on either the 1051 or the 1052).



I have been scheming a way to remove the 24ex flashes off the lens to get diffrent perspectives with my macro. I am looking for a bracket system that will hook to the camera or tripod and allow me to manipulate the flashes at diffrent angles.


Novoflex makes very nice (albeit expensive) macro flash brackets, with either solid ("http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/240728-REG/Novoflex_UNISET_Flash_Bracket_with_Adjustable.html ) or flexible ("http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/240736-REG/Novoflex_UNIMARM_Flash_Bracket_with_Two.html) arms. I'm sure there are cheaper versions out there.


An option to mount to your tripod legs would be a pair of Manfrotto Superclamps ("http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/546356-REG/Manfrotto_035RL_035RL_Super_Clamp_with.html)withFl ex Arms ("http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/5147-REG/Manfrotto_237_237_2896_Flex_Arm.html), perhaps with small ballheads like the Giottos MH-1004 ("http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/221096-REG/Giottos_MH1004_320_MH_1004_Mini_Ball.html) on the end (I use one of those little ballheads for the flash on myManfrotto 233B Flash Bracket).



As for a studio set up, the wife's already told me there will be no studio,


I've been offered the 'opportunity' to clear out part of the basement for use as a studio - you'd need to see our basement to fully appreciate the quid pro quo involved... [:#]In the meantime, I'm planning to use available space in the house, meaning a completely portable setup.

[HDNitehawk]

The 1051BAC has a smaller footprint (28" diamater vs. 40" for the 1052BAC


John


A quick observation, from one day with the 1052BAC. I bought this umbrella that Bryan reviewed:


[View:http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Photogenic-Eclipse-Umbrella-Review.aspx]


My first impression was that with the umbrella fully extendedat 90 degrees full lenghtit could be a bit shakey but was adequate. The shakeness was more due to the size of foot print compared to the extension of the umbrella placing the center of gravity just off to the side of the stands foot print. I think with the flash mounted it will help counter balance it. I think if it were outside and any wind I would have to sand bag the legs. This umbrella is 60" if you have smaller umbrella you wouldn't be extended out as far. You might check that out with the 28" foot print. I think for the softbox I am buying 28" footprint would be fine since the center of gravity will be closer to the shaft.


As for studio's in the house. My wife wants me to take the sheet I used as a backdrop and put on her China Cabinet down now.

[Sean Setters]

I must admit....I am astounded by the longevity of this "FS" thread. :-)

[HDNitehawk]

Since you bought the item within 48 minutes of posting it is amazing. The thread took a life of its own.


Maybe were still stressed we didn

[Mark Elberson]

I just checked

[Sean Setters]

By the way Mark, the CyberCommander is a bit of a pain to set up...but once you get the hang of it, it's a great system. I've been having a blast with it. I honestly didn't know the CC had a built-in light meter--that's a really cool value-added feature.



https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/_l7vyqAtx1GY/TYP4Q6m3GbI/AAAAAAAAAlU/mNTULQEOcMI/s640/IMG_1140_ps.jpg ("https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/IgFJKOaklhunIhub6FeA0g?feat=embedwebsite)

[HDNitehawk]

A 580ex II test with the new Pocket Wizards:





I will add once again to this hijacked thread. Its not like Mark or Sean need this thread any more, they both got what they wanted.[:P]


In regard to using the pocket wizard with the 580ex II and RF interference. I received my new PW yesterday, so this morning I headed out to check this out.


At about 45' without using the provided sock (AC5) for protection on the 580ex II the PW's would stop receiving signal. 45' was the limit for this part of the test.


I put the AC5 sock on, it did not miss until I got out to 360', for about another 40' it would flash only randomly then after that none at all. 360' seems to be the acceptable limit in the test I did using the sock with the 580ex II.


The Pocket Wizards had an unobstructed line of site between them. They were probably 5 feet off the ground. It was a windy semi overcast day.