60d vs T4i? Budget minded

[garand4life]

I am torn between going in on a T4i with the 18-135 lens or the 60D with the equivalent 18-135 lens. I had a T3i but it met a poor fate via water. I like the controls on the 60d but does the improvements to the autofocus and sensors of the t4i really make it any better if I don't plan to use the video functions? I'm leaning 60D but is it worth the extra cash? I'm not wanting to wait much longer so waiting for the next 60D version is out of the question this time. HELP PLEASE!

[Dave Throgmartin]

Both are nice. Some advantages to the 60D...

-- More comfortably sized for the average adult male
-- Top LCD
-- 1/3 ISO increments
-- 1/8000 shutter speed capability
-- 2 dials
-- C mode
-- 1/250 shutter w/ flash

Dave

[andnowimbroke]

Was there anything you did/didn't like (size, form, swivel screen, ISO range) about the T3i before it passed?

[garand4life]

I liked the t3i but I didn't care for how I had to change settings on the fly. I really like the external display by the shutter release. It seems easier and quicker. But is there enough difference in performance to set on apart from another. Also, what exactly is C mode?

[Busted Knuckles]

This is an interesting question.

Dave hit the differences except 9 pt focusing is all cross type vs. just the center on the 60d. Does this change the focusing speed/accuracy?

The rest is pretty much ergonomics, size, sound of the shutter, touch screen, wheel vs. buttons. Is the sensor able to go one more stop of iso or is the digic 5 processor which gives you what difference in high iso of just underexposing the pix 1 stop and pushing it in the computer?

Both will load Magic Lantern which gives you the 1/3 stop function and all kinds of other stuff (intervalometer, etc).

I am still holding on to my T3i for the moment. go play at a best buy the size/feel and flip the coin

[andnowimbroke]

Custom setting getting you going in the right direction if you use certain settings a lot. Mine are set for stuff like HDR bracketing and birds in flight. To adjust the setting on the fly, you might forget a setting or in case of unexpected flying birds, miss the shot. Nice to have, but have a few issues with them.

[Dave Throgmartin]

60D is all cross type too.

Both are really nice cameras. The T4i is more modern (digic V processor, touch LCD, some other nice features), but there are things Canon does like the full ISO instead of 1/3 stops that make it harder to use. The other biggie for me is the size of the camera and the quality of the viewfinder.

Dave


This is an interesting question.

Dave hit the differences except 9 pt focusing is all cross type vs. just the center on the 60d. Does this change the focusing speed/accuracy?

The rest is pretty much ergonomics, size, sound of the shutter, touch screen, wheel vs. buttons. Is the sensor able to go one more stop of iso or is the digic 5 processor which gives you what difference in high iso of just underexposing the pix 1 stop and pushing it in the computer?

Both will load Magic Lantern which gives you the 1/3 stop function and all kinds of other stuff (intervalometer, etc).

I am still holding on to my T3i for the moment. go play at a best buy the size/feel and flip the coin

[FastGass]

The 60D and T4i both cost $1200 for the bundle deal. For me it's a no brainer, the 60D. As far is IQ is concerned on the DP review comparison the 60D looks just hair better (mabye different partern in the noise) than the T4i.

John.

[JJphoto]

The 60D and T4i both cost $1200 for the bundle deal. For me it's a no brainer, the 60D. As far is IQ is concerned on the DP review comparison the 60D looks just hair better (mabye different partern in the noise) than the T4i.

John.
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[PatrickH]

I had a T3i but it met a poor fate via water.

The 60d does also have some weather sealing in addition to what others have mentioned.

[Kombi]

Did you get a grip or an extra battery for your t3i?
if you did they can be used on a t4i, but not the 60d

[garand4life]

No, I never got around to the grip. I was playing with the 60D earlier and noticed some interesting things. Most interesting is the level in the menu to ensure the camera is set level. Pretty cool considering my old tri-pod level quit. Other than that I think the battery will be helping me side with the 60D. But is the Digic 5 going to make that much of a difference versus the Digic 4?

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[andnowimbroke]

You'll still need a level on your tripod if you use a ball head and base for panorama stuff.

[Busted Knuckles]

Thanks for the correction Dave, missed it.

[FastGass]

Here is a comparison to the 60D and T4.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/studio-compare#baseDir=%2Freviews_data&cameraDataSubdir=boxshot&indexFileName=boxshotindex.xml&presetsFileName=boxshotpresets.xml&showDescriptions=false&headerTitle=Studio%20scene&headerSubTitle=Standard%20studio%20scene%20compari son&masterCamera=canon_eos60d&masterSample=img_0243.acr&slotsCount=4&slot0Camera=canon_eos60d&slot0Sample=img_0243.acr&slot0DisableCameraSelection=true&slot0DisableSampleSelection=true&slot0LinkWithMaster=true&slot1Camera=canon_eos650d&slot1Sample=img_1022.acr&x=0&y=0

The 60D actually looks better. What ever the Digic 5 processor is doing it's not helping noise levels.

John.

[garand4life]

Does anybody have any real world experience with in camera hdr? I've been playing with it on my iPhone and am really impressed with how it brings out the details otherwise missing in the pictures I've captured. 13661367
I has caused me to start leaning to the T4i. Any thoughts?

[Busted Knuckles]

I have played w/ the 5dIII. (rented it for a vacation trip). This is really for static shots, its tough to do with people in the shot.

It is interesting. I tried w/ several gaps in exposure, 2 or 3 stops seemed the best depending on subject. In DPP (Canon's current post processing software) I have done things like 6, the results are a bit odd.

[ham]

I don't like HDR. I like in-camera-HDR even less. I don't think I'd let that sway what camera I bought AT ALL.

[Black_Dog]

This is an interesting question.

Dave hit the differences except 9 pt focusing is all cross type vs. just the center on the 60d. Does this change the focusing speed/accuracy?



I think the AF points are the same on both cameras. From Canon's website regarding AF points:


T4i: "9 points (All AF points are cross-type at f/5.6., Center AF point is diagonal cross-type at f/2.8.)"
60D: "9 (Cross-type, Center AF point with dual cross sensor for f/2.8)"

[FastGass]

If you want to do HDR's you owe it to yourself to check out Photomatix, it's my favorite HDR software so far.

John.

[Busted Knuckles]

Yep, I miss read a different summary. I am stand corrected.


I think the AF points are the same on both cameras. From Canon's website regarding AF points:


T4i: "9 points (All AF points are cross-type at f/5.6., Center AF point is diagonal cross-type at f/2.8.)"
60D: "9 (Cross-type, Center AF point with dual cross sensor for f/2.8)"

[Magijr]

I was in your shoes about three months ago, and I wound up purchasing the t4i 2 months ago, I retuned it 2 weeks later. I took 700 shots with it and they looked good. After a lot of forum, internet, and photo-group research I purchased the 60D. I have taken about a 1000 pics (give or take) and the 60D IQ is much much better. I choose the 60D over the 7D for various reason, but the main reason for was to save the money and purchase a higher quality lens.

Back to the t4i vs the 60D... you will read reviews until you are blue in the face, but if you physically hold them side by side and see examples of pics from each, in my opinion, its a no brainier, 60D.

Good luck and let me know if you have any questions for me.

[Dave Throgmartin]

I was in your shoes about three months ago, and I wound up purchasing the t4i 2 months ago, I retuned it 2 weeks later. I took 700 shots with it and they looked good. After a lot of forum, internet, and photo-group research I purchased the 60D. I have taken about a 1000 pics (give or take) and the 60D IQ is much much better. I choose the 60D over the 7D for various reason, but the main reason for was to save the money and purchase a higher quality lens.

Back to the t4i vs the 60D... you will read reviews until you are blue in the face, but if you physically hold them side by side and see examples of pics from each, in my opinion, its a no brainier, 60D.

Good luck and let me know if you have any questions for me.

I'm surprised to hear you found the 60D IQ to be superior. The sensors should be roughly equivalent for stills. I use a 60D too so I'm not complaining, but am just curious if maybe the lens(es) you were using weren't playing nice with the camera? (focus was not consistently achieved with T4i).


Dave

[Magijr]

I'm surprised to hear you found the 60D IQ to be superior. The sensors should be roughly equivalent for stills. I use a 60D too so I'm not complaining, but am just curious if maybe the lens(es) you were using weren't playing nice with the camera? (focus was not consistently achieved with T4i).


Dave

You are probably right Dave, I am very new to photography and my experience is limited. I had the kit lens (18-55) on the t4i, and now I shoot with the 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM (which I love) on my 60D. Perhaps my IQ comparison is not fair.

[thekingb]

I had the kit lens (18-55) on the t4i, and now I shoot with the 17-55 f/2.8 IS USM (which I love) on my 60D. Perhaps my IQ comparison is not fair.

Indeed. It's like a BMW 525i vs a BMW M5. Both bodies are great, but the engines have nothing in common. The 17-55 f/2.8 would be excellent on the t4i too.

[FastGass]

I think your comparison is about lenses and not IQ of the bodies. They use the same sensors, have virtually the same noise levels and I have not seen any sharpness difference worth noting. The 17-55mm is a cult lens for 1.6 bodies (IS, fast aperture, good sharpness) so I am not suprised that you find the IQ on your 60D is much better. But not because of the body.

Cheers,
John.