5Ds R in stock at B&H

[HDNitehawk]

Brian might be a little slow on the trigger or I missed it.

But B&H has the 5Ds R in stock now. No longer pre-order.

[Kayaker72]

Did you get one?

Here is a real world review from a wedding photographer.

http://chrisgilesphotography.com/blog/the-canon-5dsr-their-best-yet-part-1-a-hands-on-practical-review-for-wedding-photography/

[HDNitehawk]

It arrived just as I was reading this.

[Kayaker72]

Ha....perfect....I am curious as to your thoughts after you've had it a bit.

[HDNitehawk]

Ha....perfect....I am curious as to your thoughts after you've had it a bit.

I have shot over 1000 pics so far, on the fourth day in London.

Negatives first;
My thoughts so far is the 5Ds R is a buffer hog. Your not going to shoot anything fast with. Once you burn through the few frames for the buffer it stays busy for a while. You shoot three or four shots in a row and want to chimp your pictures, your going to see the busy signal. But I expected this.
The files eat up your computer, both speed and storage. Speed is the bigger issue for me, if you have an older computer you might be waiting for a few seconds for an image to load.

The Good;
So far noise or moire have been no issue (maybe a bit in the pic below). But I have not pixel peeped to see any.
The detail from the 50mp sensor is great.
I find the statements that "you have to use a tripod to benefit form the increased pixel density" to be ignorant. You see the increase with just normal good technique a tripod just helps as it would with any camera.
The AF system is much better than the 7D II's. Out of the box I am getting a very high precise keeper rate.

Now the hardest to get picture in London, 8 million people plus and I spotted him yesterday. Had to take a fast picture turning backwards in the tour bus and moving.
Here he is, I found him.... Waldo...
https://farm1.staticflickr.com/411/20471603286_b05bd14832_k.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/xc1jrm)1C8A0864 (https://flic.kr/p/xc1jrm) by hdnitehawk01 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/55888666@N08/), on Flickr

[DavidEccleston]

That's amazing. I saw Waldo yesterday too, but in Ottawa. My Waldo was also wearing a backpack rather than carrying a stack of books. ;)

And yeah, you won't need a tripod. Anybody who has used a crop sensor body can tell you that, as it's the same pixel density.

Hope the "good"s are outweighing the "bad"s. Just remember, you're one of the few who can crop your image and still make a desktop wallpaper for a 5K iMac. ;)

[Kayaker72]

Glad to hear that we've found Waldo (twice!) and that you are having a good time with the 5Ds R.

You are further confirming the positive impressions I have read. Seems like the primary issue is file size.

[HDNitehawk]

Seems like the primary issue is file size.

It was kind of obvious this would be a still life camera. Of course the large files will task the computer.

One thing I have really noticed happens because of the large files is review lag. You take several in a row and if you want to chimp the picture you will see the busy signal quite often. I do not chimp often unless condition changes but have noticed the lag often on this trip. One curious thing is that sometimes you will take a shot but while it is processing it will show you a shot you took earlier. Once it finishes you can scroll forward to the last picture.

This is a small price to pay for the amount of detail you are getting.

[Busted Knuckles]

I am just now starting to process my Glacier National Park pics shot w/ a 5Dsr.

Detail is everything you want and expect it to be.
Atmospheric considerations are real. Sometimes the air is not clear enough for large scale panos
Agree w/ buffer issues, this is not a sport camera or action wildlife.
I am happy w/ the high iso/low light shots so far, but haven't really processed them that deeply yet.

It is kind of cool to use a 50mm art and stitch together 20 or so shots and just have fun imagining my wall sized print :). Now to find a wall sized printer.

I did a 480 mp pano of hidden lake (still needs some work but it is fun to zoom in/out and look for details) shot w/ the 90 t/s at f6.3 what an amazing resolving lens

[Kayaker72]

....did your processor melt down trying to stitch together 20 or so 50 MP shots? ;)

A couple of reviews....

http://blog.mingthein.com/2015/07/02/canon-5dsr-review-part-1/

https://luminous-landscape.com/canon-5ds-review-through-print-performance/

[Busted Knuckles]

Actually the long part was converting to jpg.

Now that I have a 4k laptop. (Start the lashing now) I should have looked at the DR of its screen. Looks like 7 stops on the 1/3 stop scales at various websites.

Suggestions high (er) DR monitors? I am coming to understamd that display technology is more complex that I would like?

[jrw]

Having made the switch some time ago I can recommend getting yourself a pro grade Graphics monitor. The difference in gamut and DR is night and day from most monitors. It also is understood that you will do a proper calibration.
The output monitor that is used for editing of images is a very good place to put some money after, if not before, acquiring lots of camera gear.

[HDNitehawk]

The impression of the camera so far.

For storage I have enough cards to hold about 300 gb. When in the UK I wrote the files to the external to have backup through the wife's old Macbook.
I ended up with about 3800 shots in 11 days of shooting, of which I saved in JPG and RAW. So a bit short of 8000 files. I ended up with 256 GB in the folder.
It took hours to transfer these to the laptop at home last night. So as we already knew the camera is a space hog.

FWIW only 5 shots of the 3800 were of Waldo.

The space problem is a small one, the improved resolution is very noticeable to me and is well worth it. The majority of what I did was hand held. Only at Stonehenge did I break out the tripod. I see the resolution improvement in all so far.

The AF system is very accurate and I am well pleased. Lucky the frame rate is so slow, if it were like the 1D's I would have 10 identical frames equally sharp and 50mb each to sort through, as it is I only have one or two. I haven't put the 5Ds R on my 500mm yet to really put it to the test, but so far on the trip it has been exceptional. Contrast that to the 7D II which I always found to be a bit lacking.

One issue I have had with the 5Ds R is metering. On sunny days it did great, but for some reason when it is overcast it tends to blow out the highlights and overexpose if left to its own. I changed to spot metering and it was no help, I probably just need to look in to the settings and its probably just my ignorance of the system. I didn't worry about it much because it was easily correctable in the field.

My mind might change after I PP 3800 pictures, but so far its a keeper.

[conropl]

... The AF system is very accurate and I am well pleased...


That's high praise.

[Karsaa]

Asking this question here, don't wanna make new threat. Those who you have the 5DSr version. How do you feel it performs in low light with highers isos? I have been looking those reviews on different DSLR on the site and the noise tool and have little hard time to get idea how it performs. I kinda like to hear real life opinnions =).

I noticed that i myself take lots of pictures on low light times of day aka auroras etc. I have noticed that 6D is apparently pretty good on wiht high iso's. How is 5dsr compared to that?

[HDNitehawk]

With just the base RAW file in LR the 5Ds R it appears very noisy even at lower ISO. But it cleans up and has quite a bit of headroom.
I haven't made this comparison but I think I will with my 5D II, take an identical subject at a higher ISO and the PP and resize the image to be identical.
Right now I believe that resized the 5Ds R will probably be no worse than the 5D II, but you would loose the 5Ds R's resolution advantage getting there.

From what we know and been taught the larger pixels of the 6D should be better than a camera with smaller pixels (5Ds R). But what we sometimes believe to be correct may not always pan out, there are other things involved including faster processors and better firmware to handle the noise. What we believe we read on paper and what we find in real world function and use sometimes seem to differ. Even if we can say the 5Ds R is equal to the 6D, 5D III or 5D II most likely the next version of the 6D or the 5D will most likely be much better.

Right now without any more tests I believe you will not gain anything going to the 5Ds R for low light.

I have had mine since August.
I do not believe it is as bad as some who do not own it would lead you to believe.

[Busted Knuckles]

I really enjoyed renting the 5DsR and found the shadows can be pulled up quite a bit. That is a little different than a whole frame of darkness.

If you need resolution... tada.... if you need low light, perhaps not. I don't think you would find much difference and if any it wouldn't be favorable.

I would suspect that there a new body coming out soon that will up the low light ante

[DavidEccleston]

Check out the example shots in the "Imaging Resource" comparator tool (http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM).

I did a 5Ds vs 5D3 ISO 6400 still life comparison. Opened the full sized images, copied and pasted into Photoshop, resized the 5Ds to 5D3 size... and it's a mixed bag. The nails holding the string samples look sharper. The bottle labels are sharper in both the text and the "tile". There's more fine detail in the round scale thing. The fabric samples kept the fabric texture much better... but that red leafy fabric. It just ruined that.

Perhaps I'm jumping to a conclusion based on a single bad part of one image, but it looks like high-ISO mixed with a low contrast subject is the 5Ds' weakness. For everything else, the 5Ds kicks ass.

[HDNitehawk]

Check out the example shots in the "Imaging Resource" comparator tool (http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM).

I did a 5Ds vs 5D3 ISO 6400 still life comparison. Opened the full sized images, copied and pasted into Photoshop, resized the 5Ds to 5D3 size... and it's a mixed bag. The nails holding the string samples look sharper. The bottle labels are sharper in both the text and the "tile". There's more fine detail in the round scale thing. The fabric samples kept the fabric texture much better... but that red leafy fabric. It just ruined that.

Perhaps I'm jumping to a conclusion based on a single bad part of one image, but it looks like high-ISO mixed with a low contrast subject is the 5Ds' weakness. For everything else, the 5Ds kicks ass.

I wonder if some of that is an illusion in the detail of the fabric. I started looking at lower ISO's and at 1600 I realized that some of what I thought was noise in the red fabric was actually thread detail with the 5Ds R.

I didn't download it, I only looked at the close up comparison on line.

[HDNitehawk]

David, I just downloaded the picture with the girl from the Resource tool. Re-sized to the 5D III size.

What I see is at ISO 6400 the 5Ds R has a bit more noise than the 5D III. The color of the rose seems to hold up. There is more detail from the 5Ds R.
I downloaded the 5Ds R ISO 3200 and compared it. Again more detail, but it appears to have less noise than the 5D III ISO 6400.
From this it appears that while the 5D III will have less noise, it will be less than a one stop advantage.

Also I wonder if we were working with a RAW file if we could apply additional NR in LR. We would loose the detail but we might equal or surpass the 5D III with visual noise.

[HDNitehawk]

One last comment, I took both of the ISO 6400 jpg in to light room. Applying NR to both I was able to improve the 5Ds R jpg to a point where it was better than I could improve the 5D III. The 5Ds R still had better resolution.

[Karsaa]

I have currently 550D and noticed that once i got a bit better lens to it, it is actually pretty good performer when it comes to taking pictures at night time. What i understand from the tests you people have done, the amount of pixels i have in my hands with 5dsr gives me quite some workfield even on these night time photos. I think i found some heat signature test from different bodies and 550D performed well on those. Luckily i live in finland, so specially now in autumn/winter time gonna have proper cooling provided by nature :D

I haven't yet bought me the FF body, mostly due my funding delays :p and have had time to go throught my picture librarys to see, what i actually shoot. Found out that its either good conditions bird/nature and then chasing down the auroras when ever possible. I still think that i will go for the 5DSr to get the pixels to work with. And when it comes to auroras, i think that the ultimate sharpness is not the case on those images, atleast on my opinnion, more the colors for me.

It is really nice to see comments from real usage thank you for those =)

[Kayaker72]

Watching this video left me with two general impressions...the 1DX really holds up.....and....lifting shadows 4-5 stops is a LOT. I can only think of a handful of images where I needed that kind of increase (and, almost always, I messed something up). So much that it is almost an insignificant test too me. But, if you want an obscene torture test looking at noise:

https://luminous-landscape.com/sony-a7r-ii-review-dynamic-range-compared-to-canon-5dsr-canon-1dx-and-nikon-d810/

[Busted Knuckles]

Several of my waterfall shots even allow the highlights roll off, have deep shadows and lifting them 4 stops is well within the range that makes the photo more interesting.

[peety3]

I picked up a 5DsR several weeks ago (haven't told my wife yet...still working on that part) and have been putting it to good use here and there. Last week, I decided to push myself a bit, and used it on a 100-400II for a rugby match. What a blast! I had it on a Wimberley Gimbal, atop a RRS TVC-34L tripod with leveling base. Unfortunately, I bought the leveling base with a long handle with hook, so I can't get it super low, but it was still perhaps only 14" off the ground at the gimbal clamp. I shot the whole day with an Angle Finder so I could kneel over and look down, which was another challenge. I kept a 1Dx and 70-200/2.8IS plus a 1Dx and 24-70/2.8 at my side; I'd set up shop in the endzone looking north for an afternoon game, with great fall leaves in the background. The tripod meant I didn't have mobility, but the 400 and the extreme crop-ability of the 5DsR meant that it didn't matter. In my face? Grab the 24-70. Other end? Just shoot the 400 and crop later. All in all, very fun, very impressed with the results, and I suspect I got a lot more faces than the other four photographers who all shot from the sidelines.

The 5DsR has done fantastic work for lit portraits, but I expected that anyway (ISO 100...).