5D MarkII

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11-20-2009, 02:43 PM
Roland Scheiner

5D MarkII

As I wrote in my profile until now I only used Nikon DSLRs in the past. Therefore I don´t have any experience with Canon SLRs. I bought a 5DMarkII which is still in the box. I only will open it on christmas. But I study the manual (downloaded from the internet - see below), and I have a few questions, which I almost don´t dare to pose to you the experienced users.

1.) The camera only can take images when the AF has achieved focus although you press the shutter button straight down.and/or If you aim a subject and press the shutter button directly straight down without waitung until the camera has achieved focus the camera will not take a picture. And when you shoot continuously and the camera loses the subject, it stops even when C.FnIII-1 is set to (0) -search on. Is that right?

2.) As I like to take snapshots I like always to be prepared for. Therefore I should like to set the settings as follows most of the time: Drive Mode - continuous shooting / AF AI focus (I don´t talk about metering and ISO speed) Are there reasons why I shouldn´t do that. Can this setting be set as one the C1/C2/C3 ? That would be very conviened because I could switch to One shot or another C(2-3) setting immediately

3. The 5DMark II features 3 different levels of RAW files. RAW files can be processed lossless. But my question is: If I use RAW 2 the file is not larger than Jpeg S in terms of the printing size. Why use this compression as well as RAW 1. If bought a FF Camera and using the compressed Raw files I cut if down to APS-C. Is that right, or do I make a mistake?

I think about capturing JPEG and RAW of the same picture. The advantage of a RAW is obvious. Nevertheless I will capture JPEGs because most or the majority of the images must not be changed. But for those which have to be processed, I will use the RAW file, convert to JPEG and then throw the RAW file to the trash. What do you think about that?

4. This has nothing to do with the camera itself: What is your experience in terms of sRGB vs RGB. Until today I only used sRGB. Most of my pictures are displayed on my monitor which doesn´t cover RGB. I did test photos and printed them (Epson Stylus R2400 - I don´t know if this model is sold in the US; the color management of this printer supports RGB) Compared with the sRGB Photos of the same subject, the RGB photos were significantly more colorful, i.e. the color saturation was better. Your experiences?

So it´s enough for now. Thank you in advance for you answers.

PS: You should be glad to live in the US because the information about Digital photography is much better than in Germany.
11-20-2009, 03:05 PM
Daniel Browning

Re: 5D MarkII

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Originally Posted by Roland Scheiner

1.) The camera only can take images when the AF has achieved focus although you press the shutter button straight down.

If you use the enable the AF-ON button, then it will take a picture every time the shutter button is pushed, even if the AF has not achieved focus.

That is how I use my 5D2. It only takes a few minutes to get used to having full control over AF and shutter with two different buttons, rather than partial control with a single button.

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Originally Posted by Roland Scheiner

Therefore I should like to set the settings as follows most of the time: Drive Mode - continuous shooting / AF AI focus (I don´t talk about metering and ISO speed) Are there reasons why I shouldn´t do that.

I use that mode most of the time as well.

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Originally Posted by Roland Scheiner

Can this setting be set as one the C1/C2/C3 ?

Yes.

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Originally Posted by Roland Scheiner

That would be very conviened because I could switch to One shot or another C(2-3) setting immediately

Indeed. What I find frustrating about the C1/C2/C3 modes are that changes are lost everytime you switch settings. Every time you change a setting (white balance, etc.), you have to go into the menu and save it (which takes several steps), otherwise it is lost as soon as you switch out of that C mode. For me that limits the utility significantly, but I understand others like it that way (they want to be able to change something, switch out, and have it revert to their "safe" settings.)

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Originally Posted by Roland Scheiner

3. The 5DMark II features 3 different levels of RAW files. RAW files can be processed lossless.

Well, the sRAW files are very different from full raw. They're not really lossless; they have color information removed (on top of the obvious loss in resolution).

JPEG has very little processing that can be done to it. sRAW has quite a bit more latitude, but still nowhere near as much as full raw.

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Originally Posted by Roland Scheiner

But my question is: If I use RAW 2 the file is not larger than Jpeg S in terms of the printing size. Why use this compression as well as RAW 1?

Personally, I never use sRAW. But if you're absolutely drowning in 25 MB raw files, and you just can't take it anymore, and you don't mind the huge loss in resolution and processing options possible with full raw, then I can see why you'd use sRAW.

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Originally Posted by Roland Scheiner

If bought a FF Camera and using the compressed Raw files I cut if down to APS-C. Is that right, or do I make a mistake?

That's kind of right. If you bought a FF camera for the 21 MP resolution, then using sRAW files would not make sense. But there are many other advantages to FF cameras, such as lens selection, low light performance, etc. that are not lost when using sRAW. (Still, I don't recommend it.)

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Originally Posted by Roland Scheiner

think about capturing JPEG and RAW of the same picture. The advantage of a RAW is obvious. Nevertheless I will capture JPEGs because most or the majority of the images must not be changed.

Sounds great.

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Originally Posted by Roland Scheiner

But for those which have to be processed, I will use the RAW file, convert to JPEG and then throw the RAW file to the trash. What do you think about that?

Throwing the raw file away is like throwing the film negative away. I would never do it, but if you're absolutely certain you will never want to improve this picture in the future (after your post processing skills have improved, or after software has advanced to a new level, or to use a new color space that a new printer is capable of, etc.), then it would be OK. But disk space is so cheap these days (even with triplicate backups), that I keep every single raw file. There have been so many times that I thought I was done with a picture, but I came back to it years later and did a much better job with newer software and skills.

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Originally Posted by Roland Scheiner

4. This has nothing to do with the camera itself: What is your experience in terms of sRGB vs [Adobe RGB]?

If I had an Adobe RGB monitor, I would probably use that. For digital intermediates I use Pro Photo RGB (when I'm using Lightroom) and BetaRGB when I'm using other raw converters. For final output I often use sRGB because that's what my printing services prefer. I'd like to get my own printer some day and use better output color spaces.
11-20-2009, 03:55 PM
Alan

Re: 5D MarkII

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Originally Posted by Roland Scheiner

I think about capturing JPEG and RAW of the same picture. The advantage of a RAW is obvious. Nevertheless I will capture JPEGs because most or the majority of the images must not be changed. But for those which have to be processed, I will use the RAW file, convert to JPEG and then throw the RAW file to the trash. What do you think about that?

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Roland, you'll always get the best info when Daniel responds. I just wanted to throw in my advice to add to his, on the suggestion of discarding of RAW files:

DON'T DO IT!

After learning more tricks on how to use Photoshop, I revisited some of my "old" pictures, which I thought were mediocre, and was able to re-process them to a much better condition. If I had thrown those files away, what a waste it would have been for me.

Like Daniel suggests, put those "digital negatives" on to some hard drives. You won't regret it.
11-20-2009, 04:26 PM
Roland Scheiner

Re: 5D MarkII

Hi Daniel,

thank you very very much for your professional advice. As Alan said: great to respond so quickly and write such a lot of points in such a short time.But your name Browning is an obligation: Browning (guns) shoot fast.

I will follow your proposals. And if you don´t I will come back, if I have questions.

I will use the camera and make my experiences.

Thank you agian
11-20-2009, 04:29 PM
Roland Scheiner

Re: 5D MarkII

Hello Alain,

you are right. I will keep them. It´s an old experience: Often after you have thrown away something. you would have needed.

Thanks a lot and have a nice weekend.

Roland
11-20-2009, 04:32 PM
Keith B

Re: 5D MarkII

I find the jpgs out of my 5dmkII are substantially softer than the RAWs.
11-20-2009, 05:44 PM
Roland Scheiner

Re: 5D MarkII

Hello Keith,

I will use the Camera and I will see the result, or I will not see. Unfortunately the nature has equiped me with are very weak sensitivity for seeing colors. Especially red/green is a bit of a problem. I am able to distinct the traffic lights but color tones......

But thank you for your reply I appriated it.

regards Roland

btw: What is your general experience with the 5DMarkII?

I would like to hear about that.