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I'm very curious to see the results with some High-ISO sample pictures, not for the 7dII itself which probably i will not buy, but for the future of the APS-C sensors, to have an idea of what are we reaching or what we will see in a few years
Here:
they seem to have a few shoot (i don't know if those shots are from a trusted source)
http://www.cameraegg.org/canon-eos-7...images-movies/
Its very early and I will want to see controlled tests, but, to my eye, the low ISO noise is much cleaner and there is an improvement at ISO 3200 and ISO 6400 over the 7D. I would not say to the FF levels, but an improvement over previous cropped sensor cameras.
That could just be improvements in-camera jpg processing or was accomplished in post (a few images did look a bit soft at 100%). Controlled tests are needed. I remain guardedly optimistic, but so far, there may be something to the new sensor.
Matt Granger just posted this from Photokina
It would have been nice if he hadn't missed focus on the ISO 3200.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayaker72
Or underexposed ISO 6400Quote:
Originally Posted by HDNitehawk
:rolleyes:
OOF really doesn't matter when looking at noise, just look at the Bokeh it is OOF anyway.
The ISO 3200 shot looks like what I would expect with ISO 3200. Nothing out of the ordinary and really minimal improvement. It looks like it isn't bad enough that LR5 wouldn't clean it up nicely. If it can get to 3200 and be cleaned that would be good.
No ground shaking ISO noise improvement with this body, if it had it I think Canon would have been boasting about it.
Yea, it makes me worry about the other parts of the camera now. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayaker72
AF missed, exposure missed.....
I hope I got mine ordered quick enough to go out on the first round of shipments from B&H
Yep...its officially a bust.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by HDNitehawk
Another video....This one really only talks about the "process" that went into the 7DII.
No manual for it yet but Canon has sales literature up.
They are claiming low noise levels.
They say this is an all new sensor designed for the 7D II
http://usa.canon.com/CUSA/assets/app...l_brochure.pdf
Optimized for low-light shooting, the EOS 7D Mark II’s sensor
captures images at up to ISO 16000 (expandable to
H1: 25600 and H2: 51200). This is because of an improved
higher sensitivity photodiode construction, CMOS circuitry,
and color filters with higher light transmittance. As a result, the
EOS 7D Mark II records both still and moving images at higher
ISO speeds with remarkably low noise, making excellent
low-light photography and moviemaking possible.
Unable to watch the Video because of my slow internet, but looking at the pictures and text he didn't say what lens he was using? Does anybody know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayaker72
They are saying what they need to say. I am still interested in test results, but the images I have seen thus far appear a bit better. But, it is so hard to tell with compressed jpg images.Quote:
Originally Posted by HDNitehawk
He starts out with the new EFS 24 f/2.8 pancake and at the end puts on the 400 f/4 DO II.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raid
Which VideoQuote:
Originally Posted by Raid
The one with the Red Hair girl was a 100mm macro L
Image Resource has a "beta" 7DII. They are comparing it to a 7D.
I see a difference
:cool::D
EDIT: I am seeing very nice differences at both low and high ISOs with their comparometer. Not as good as the 5DIII, but was anyone seriously expecting that?
Yeah. ISO 6400 actually looks semi useable. Not bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayaker72
The important comparison for me would be with the 1D MkIV. I've toyed with the idea of grabbing a MkIV for BIF shots with its crop factor and AF/high ISO capabilities. The 7D MkII appears to be able to hold its own against the 1D MkIV at 6400ISO. The MkIV has a slight edge in contrast, maybe. But the price difference between a new 7D MkII and a used 1D MkIV really is making it a no-brainer.
Very nice. Why didn't Canon make it easier to see the improved sensor?
In November you will hear about my 1D IV vs the 7D IIQuote:
Originally Posted by M_Six
i can tell you the micro contrast of the 1D IV is a noticeable difference could be the deal breaker.
If those high ISO images are how it's going to be, then I can already see the difference. And that's looking at a small area at 100%. I bet it's really noticeable when viewing the whole image.Quote:
Originally Posted by HDNitehawk
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayaker72
I downloaded one of the CR2 files. It will not open any anything I have.
Yeah, that's a problem (the not opening CR2s). In the comparometer tool, we're comparing in camera NR from 7D vs. in camera NR from 7D2. The "7D Lab samples" link under the "difference" link above, (or just click here), shows in camera NR set to 0 and set to 2. The 0 set might be the best indicator we have of actual sensor noise levels.
The lens plays a huge factor in micro contrast, too. Couple the 1.6 FOVC factor, and the new processors, sensor, price, I'd say that the 7DII will hold its own.Quote:
Originally Posted by HDNitehawk
If you're comfortable with the command line / Terminal, you can download a 70D RAW file and copy the EXIF headers from that file to the 7DII .CR2, and it will open in most of what you have...Quote:
Originally Posted by HDNitehawk
Does Bryan have an evaluation copy already? Anyone know? Or will he be getting his the same time as everyone else? I'm not buying until February, when the tax fairy puts money in my account, but I'm so anxious to read this thoughts and findings! Lets face it, no one does reviews better. He's one of the few that knows the difference between an overview and a review.
Bryan does not already have an evaluation copy. He'll likely be getting his from the first batch of preorder shipments (as will I).
We've tried and tried, but Canon USA is very conservative about evaluation copies. Canon UK is much more willing to loan evaluation gear, which is a big reason why DPReview always has a "First Glimpse" of newly announced Canon products (not that I'm bitter or anything – grrrrr).
You'd think that TDP was big enough and legit enough that Canon would be rushing to ensure you had everything you needed to tell the world about their latest toys... but I also understand the "gear bought at retail, we have no obligations to Canon" side of reviewing gear too.
You'd think...but that doesn't seem to be the case. :-/
I don't want TDP to be receiving special review gear, no matter how "big and legit" it may be - it's better for all of us if Canon doesn't have an opportunity to pick & choose which unit goes to a reviewer.Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidEccleston
On the flip side, I struggle with the notion that TDP might pre-order 2-4 copies of something to be able to gather consistency data, while others are anxiously awaiting the 1 copy they've ordered. I'd sure like it if TDP developed a partnership with LensRentals.com such that one (or more) of LR's orders is auto-rented (and potentially direct drop-shipped) to TDP, so that the additional copies needed for consistency turn into rental stock after a reasonable period.
Coincidentally enough, that's kind of what Bryan does with some lenses – especially the super-telephotos. He orders a couple of them, tests them, then sells one of them to LensRentals because they can always use the stock. Plus they're usually happy knowing the lens has been pre-vetted and they won't have any initial problems with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by peety3
Typically speaking, Bryan preorders one camera/lens for review purposes. If his test results indicate a problem, that's when he orders additional units to either validate his results or confirm abnormalities. For reviews he feels are greatly anticipated, he may preorder two lenses just in case there is an issue with one (there rarely is) and to also ensure he gets the lens as soon as possible (assuming he orders from two separate retailers, one may arrive before the other).
In the case of the 7D II, Bryan is preordering one for testing purposes and I'm preordering one for personal use.
Flipping the flip side... I do not know how many TDP orders; but if it was 2-4 out of the thousands ordered, it is such a small fraction of a percent that it is not really causing any overall heartache to the public in general. In fact, I think the opposite argument can be made. After he is done with them, he sells them as used equipment... so someone gets a fairly new camera with low miles at a discounted price. Seem like he is doing the photography community a service with the review as well as potentially providing a discounted camera.Quote:
Originally Posted by peety3
Looks like Sean already answered while I was typing.
He does sell some of the cameras/lenses that he reviews on the used market. I acquired the site-reviewed 7D (orig. version) this way...long before I ever worked for the site. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by conropl
I am watching, B&H better not play favorites and ship yours first.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sean Setters
Hey now, I posted the preorder news as soon as it became available. Don't you think I picked one up first? ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by HDNitehawk
Maybe ...:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Sean Setters
My order went in at 2:58 Central Time.
Ok, it's true - I didn't preorder as soon as I put the news up. But I eventually did. :-)
I'm curious Sean. As a fence sitter myself, what got you off the fence? What features did you see as must haves over your 7D.
There's a small IQ boost at high-ISO, and as we're talking 7D, not-so-high-ISO too.
There's a small pixel count bump.
There's a small framerate boost (okay, +25% isn't so small).
There's improved AF, and AF point coverage.
There's improved movies and STM, but without touchscreen focus point selection, and without WiFi for mobile device focus point selection, I'm not sure how you're expected to fully use the movie mode.
I saw something mention it was compatible with the new ST-E3-RT master thingy, which implies it doesn't have a built in radio master.
What made this a compelling purchase for you? I could see someone upgrading for the AF improvements, but you tend to shoot non-action. Was it all about the not-so-high-ISO noise?
For those interested....http://scottkelby.com/2014/real-worl...on-7d-mark-ii/
Thanks for sharing. I also have zero reservations about it, that video helped. He wasn't just happy with it, he was raving about it. That speaks volumes.
Here are the features that sold me:Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidEccleston
1) Movie AF - (Biggest feature for me) I've been shooting quite a bit more video lately (purchased a slider and a Glidecam HD4000), and being able to track subjects while panning/following with the Glidecam will be an extremely beneficial feature for me. Yes, I could get that in a 70D (although it's reported that the 7D Mark II does it better), but the other features listed below combined with the Movie AF feature made it a done deal.
2) Movie Recording Time of 29min 59sec - Right now, my EOS 7D stops recording after 4GB of data is recorded (about 10min, give or take). The 7D Mark II automatically generates another file and keeps on recording after the 4GB "limit." This means I have less to worry about if the wedding ceremony lasts longer than 10 minutes. Right now, I have to remember to walk back to my second camera to restart its recording. NOTE: Magic Lantern does have a feature that will automatically start recording again if recording is stopped for any reason. Unfortunately, that setting starts recording even when I manually stop recording with the button. This means that the setting must be disabled in order to use the camera for stills or for anything else (besides filming video). I find that to be a pain.
3) Advanced AF - After having enjoyed the 5D Mark III's AF system for so long, I can't imagine not having it in my backup camera body. The 5D III will still be my main body - because it's full-frame sensor will still be more beneficial for 75% of my portrait/wedding photography business. But whenever using my backup body, it's nice to know that its AF is just as capable and just as dependable as my main body.
4) 10 frames-per-second - This is a huge feature for me. I get by with my 5D III's 6fps when shooting sports, but 10 fps (combined with the advanced AF) will make sports shooting much more rewarding. I don't consider the original 7D's image quality at ISOs above 400 to be good enough for indoor sports – I'm banking that the 7D II's image quality will be.
5) Improved image quality - Granted, I'm comparing the 7D II to its predecessor, but from what I can see, images are sharper and with less noise. Win-win.
By the way, the 7D II's pop-up flash can act as an optical master flash - but you're right, it doesn't have radio communication built-in. No canon DSLRs have that feature...yet.