RF Lenses are significantly more expensive than their EF counterparts. Do you think it’s a good idea to continue buying EF lenses? The price difference between the RF 70-200 f/2.8 IS and the EF 70-200 f/2.8 IS III is $700-800.
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RF Lenses are significantly more expensive than their EF counterparts. Do you think it’s a good idea to continue buying EF lenses? The price difference between the RF 70-200 f/2.8 IS and the EF 70-200 f/2.8 IS III is $700-800.
I am going to wait atleast untill sigma announces their RF lenses and their prices. Currently, there is no good low light wide angles available. Since i consider 1.4-1.8 good aperture and with lens 14-15mm =)
I have an R5 and the adapter on order (don't expect to get it very soon:()....I am going with my EF lenses to start as I have all I need from 16 to 600mm. At this moment I do not know if I will purchase any more EF lenses or any RF lenses for that matter. I admit that I am intrigued by the 800mm f/11 so if I try any RF lenses it would probably be that one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinh Nhut Nguyen
If there is specific lens you need I don't think I would hesitate to get the EF version and use the adapter.
Yes. The RF lineup is not yet fully populated and Canon keeps coming up with some intriguing and unexpected lenses. Honestly, if I had an R, I would be a bit cautious about buying RF lenses for another couple of years for fear that a lens better suited to my style might be released. For example, buy the RF 70-200 f/2.8 now, or is the rumor true that a RF 70-150 f/2 is coming? Which would you prefer?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinh Nhut Nguyen
I will feel better once it seems the RF lineup is fully developed. In the mean time, EF lenses are known quantities and all reports I hear is that they perform as well or maybe even a bit better on the R cameras.
Plus, you could get the EF to RF adapter that holds filters and suddenly you have a filter set that works on all your lenses.
All that said, if I did pick up an R, I would be tempted by some of the RF lenses. By all accounts I read/watch, they are exceptional. And, eventually, I will migrate my high use EF lenses over to the RF equivalents for that reason. As an example, the RF 24-70 out paces my favorite lens, the EF 24-70 II at each focal length, 50 mm is the extreme as that is a weak point of the 24-70 II (and weak is a relative term, the 24-70 II is an amazing lens, but the RF is sharper).
So, this is interesting. The RF version is smaller, lighter, appears to be faster focusing, and some have claimed better IQ (especially bokeh, as it has an extra blade, sharpness, meh, depends on focal length IMO). If those mean something too you, get the RF. The EF version is internal focusing and has the zoom ring closer to the camera, I have seen a few photographers that state that really matters to them. If none of the above matters, save some money. Both appear to be exceptional lenses. I own the EF 70-200 f/2.8 II. I love the lens for casual shooting, although, I will say, I am falling more in love with the EF 85 f/1.4 IS for portraits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinh Nhut Nguyen
Great video comparison between R5, 1DX III and Sony A7S III.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WBLMr6GqJg
More and more, I am seeing people speculate that the R5 "overheating" issue is firmware based, as the camera shuts down and it is not hot, the internals do not feel hot, etc. This group highlighted that and openly wonder if the "overheating" issue will be fixed in a firmware update.
BTW, I really think it is odd that everyone compares the Sony A7S III, a camera really optimized for videography to the R5 and, in this case, 1DX III, which are really still a photography first cameras. But, whatever. Not surprisingly, videographers mostly are concerned with video features.
I will as soon as i get my R6 and RF 800mm go to the field and try have nice sunny day and get handheld and with tripod shots with it and will make post about =) I should get atleast my R6 in couple weeks when the distribution here in finland starts, hopefully lens comes same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel Eade
Here you go Joel! Bird photography review of the R5 (granted, I am interested as well):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vyq304j4wE&t=13s
BTW, another reference to 2,000+ images on a single battery charge.
Very impressive ..... can't wait:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayaker72
Same here, have to move up my schedule of getting it ��Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel Eade
I am not sure if adding more reviews will help as I think most issues have been covered and, at least, I, feel like I have a good understanding of the cameras...but Vanessa Joy, Explorer of Light, Wedding photographer....her experience:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeFc6-8rmGk&t=139s
Maybe right but still nice to see different applications and opinions from a variety of folks. This one again praises the high ISO performance and focusing. Maybe the f/11 lenses are totally dumb after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayaker72
The biggest takeaway I saw with the f/11 lens reviews is that the focusing area is restricted to the middle of the screen only. That would probably still be okay for BOAS but it would make it rather challenging for BIFs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joel Eade
I agree with you there .... also limits composition options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Huyer
I forwarded to the Lens Adaptor part and she said there’s no issue, is there a problem with the R5 I couldn’t find it. Overall her review on everything is very positive. Like I said I think my schedule of buying the R5 has been moved up lol 😂Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayaker72
Ha.. Yes, I think it is a pretty amazing camera. To put it in perspective, even those reviewers that are notorious for being anti-Canon are very enthusiastic about the R5/R6. It is a stills first camera, so if video is your thing, either wait for a firmware update (looking more and more like that the heat issue is mostly firmware related and not a physical issue. I.e. either Canon is being ultra conservative with their temperature thresholds or they intentionally limited the R5/R6 so they would not compete with the Cini line). But, if you mostly want a stills camera...here you go. If you do not need the 45 MP, try to R6, which in many tests is coming close to resolving the same detail as my 30 MP 5DIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinh Nhut Nguyen
Two impressive cameras. Impressive enough, I am seeing several people shifting to them as their main cameras, including TDP's Bryan.
So, I have saturated myself to the point where I feel I have an reasonable understanding of the Cameras, even though I have not used them myself. Ultimately, they are tools, granted, industry leading tools. Where they might be limited a bit compared to other tools out there (for stills):Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinh Nhut Nguyen
- FPS: Apparently the 12 FPS is with fully charged battery. As the battery diminishes, so does the FPS. This could be a decisive advantage for the 1DXIII for those that want fast FPS. As of now, I am mostly viewing them as a ~10 FPS cameras. Which is still amazing, especially for a "event" camera, but is that enough for me to upgrade my 5DIV? (short answer, FPS probably not, but increased buffer, yes)
- Battery: Two issues here really:
- While I am pleased to see multiple people reporting getting >1,000 images per charge, ultimately the CIPA rating is still low and there are likely times when the CIPA rating will come true. Also, the 1DXIII CIPA rating is crazy high. So, if buying these cameras, plan on having a couple of fully charged back up batteries. Not end of world issues here, but it will have an impact.
- Volts. The 1DXIII (10.8V) still has a volt advantage compared to the LP-6NH (7.2 V). No reason to thing the R5/6 will be any slower in moving glass to focus, but the 1D line still has an advantage.
- AF. While Eye AF is getting lots of hype and seems to have the potential to alter how we photograph a scene similar to auto exposure modes, I have been let down a bit by other AF modes on my M6II. I am waiting to either try the new "DPAF V2" out myself, or see if others run into the issue, but I bought my M6II in part to "test" the latest MILC technology. Overall, I am very impressed, it is a great little camera. But...there are issues. In particular, the M6 II, which has DPAF v1, seems to have some issue focusing on smaller points that my 5DIV is capable of. I have not perfectly isolated this, but I do wonder if the individual sensors of the PDAF are physically smaller than the area needed with DPAF (at least V1). This is a theory, and I may be off, but once in awhile I run into an issue where the M6II just has problems focusing and there seems to be a trend where it is when what I want to focus on is small. I.e. a bison that is very far away, or hummingbird's eye. But, give the M6II a larger target, and it does great. Even a slightly larger birds eye.
- EVF. It seems that Canon is crossing the line where the advantages of an EVF may outweigh those of an OVF. But, that will come down to personal preference. It took me over a month to really feel comfortable with the EVF on the M6 II.
But, even in the ways that many reviewers said Sony/Nikon were better than Canon, the R5/6 are now as good or better. Everything I see tells me that they are class leading cameras and that Canon really nailed it. You are going to have to get specific when looking for a "better" camera. The 1DXIII is likely to have advantages, not everyone will be able to afford a R5, etc.
Ahhh, I see your point there.... I have been out of the game for a while I don’t know those YouTube reviewers.
New stuff arrived about an hour before dark tonight........
https://joeleadephotography.zenfolio...60202024-4.jpg
Canon R5
RF800mm f/11
1/200
iso 12,800
https://joeleadephotography.zenfolio...60202018-4.jpg
Canon R5
RF800mm f/11
1/40
iso 2000
One example of high iso and one demonstrating IBIS
The animal eye focus works perfectly by the way:)
So far so good. Will post more soon when the sun is above the horizon.
These are bit soft but it was very dark and they are cropped quite a bit too as I didn't have time to prepare proper set up.
Wow.
Congratulations Joel. Those are pretty sweet for right out of the box.
Looking forward to what you can come up with “a proper set up”.
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Mmmm, i so hope even more now that i get my R6 and 800mm next week. Can't wait to go on "hunting" birdies :D
Was able to spend a little more time with the R5 and 800mm f/11 today.
It's a fun camera, so light and easy to hold.
I enjoy seeing the focal point follow a birds eye almost perfectly every time.
I notice no blackout in the EVF and I enjoy previewing images in the EVF as it seems easier to check the images for sharpness.
The electronic shutter works as advertised .... one warning .... you will have a ton of images to look through if you use it much.
I found it difficult to take less than 10 in a burst. It is blazingly fast with zero sound. So far I haven't seen rolling shutter but I have only been shooting relatively static subjects so I wouldn't expect to.
Have not attempted BIF yet.
Have not tried any EF lenses yet but I do have an adapter.
The f/11 800mm is very sharp and easy to maneuver but it requires high iso to get good shutter speed .... I suspect even in good light you would need at least iso 3200 or more to get enough shutter speed for flight shots. Fortunately the images at iso 3200 barely have any noticeable noise. Even iso 12,800 images can be good if the exposure is correct. (ie don't under expose)
Image quality is stellar and crop-ability fantastic too....here are a few samples from today:
https://joeleadephotography.zenfolio...60927150-3.jpg
iso 3200. 1/400 sec
https://joeleadephotography.zenfolio...60925142-3.jpg
iso 3200. 1/400 sec
https://joeleadephotography.zenfolio...60924061-3.jpg
iso 3200. 1/400 sec
https://joeleadephotography.zenfolio...60923102-3.jpg
iso 3200. 1/400 sec
https://joeleadephotography.zenfolio...60926588-3.jpg
iso 3200. 1/320 sec
Great stuff! It’s real-life experiences like this which are the most compelling for me. Looking forward to more updates!
Really nice indeed. Finally i think i have the lens to go take bird images later on this year to my favorite river with dippers :D
Thanks Joel. Keep 'em coming!
Edit
BTW...a nice direct comparison between the R5 and 5DIV:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQnabuGXOdY
I especially thought it was interesting at ~1 min where he is commenting on the bokeh being clipped by the mirror box on the 5DIV but not on the R5 (no mirror).
Bokeh clipped by mirror box. Oof whatban intrresting CHOICE of details.
What I am londerinf is over the weekend the guys at Magic Lantern (thanks Sean for pointing them out) figured out the overheat issue is simply a "cripple timer" software limitation.
Sure you will void the warranty... but. 32 mp at 30 fps? Effectively for ever? I bet the ml guys figure out how tobdefeat the timer. Figure out how to record raw , etc.
Joel, imagine pointing it at the perch and just hitting record as the bird approaches. Several seconds of raw at 32 mp at 30 fps.
I am sure some product planner at Canon is miffed, but the person in charge of sales for R5 is snicker all the way to his bonus.
The otjer aha I had last night in planning my hardware purchase is that it might be better to pick up an R and convert to full spectrum and drop in eithe a uv, ir, or visible, filter behind the EF lens for an expansive imaging solution.
Yep. For those that care about the overheating "issue," I suspect Magic Lantern and others will figure out some sort of hack to the firmware at some point. I am hopeful Canon will address it with a firmware update themselves. But there is mounting evidence that the current limitations are overly cautious if not an outright attempt to limit the camera's video functionality.
Joel...I was wondering how you were getting on with the EVF? Have you tried the 20 fps with electronic shutter, if so, do you see a fall off in IQ? Any other impressions of the R5?
I am actually enjoying the EVF, especially the exposure simulation and the ability to review magnified images.
I have seen no black out at all shooting with mechanical or electronic shutter but be warned: using electronic shutter will produce a ton of images very quickly.....it's hard to realize how many because there is no sound.
I do not see image degradation when using the electronic shutter
I had posted some other comments in your 1DX 3 thread .... I will paste them here:
A few more features I found on the R5 and 800mm f/11:
Exposure Sim: both on the LCD and in EVF you see what the image will look like based on current settings
A histogram (either brightness or RGB) can be set to display live on the LCD (but not in the EVF)
Crop Mode: 1.6 crop mode with 800mm f/11 gives the field of view similar to a focal length lens of 1280mm and yields 17 mp images (very nice for small birds). No TC needed!!!
Bluetooth: using the Canon camera control app and a smart phone you can remotely control the R5 .... aim it a perch and wait ... when bird is in position just touch the phone and it fires away .... lets you hide better and much less motion involved. Also no cable release needed!!!
Shutter noise: the mechanical shutter is very soft and the electronic shutter dead quiet....so that satisfying machine gun sound is not available. The mechanical shutter is not near as fast as the 1Dx3 anyway.
Flash: does not function with electronic shutter
Control wheels: there are 3 .... the front one and big rear one as usual but another one around the mode button (set to adjust iso by default) They are all programmable.
The 800mm f/11 does not come with a lens hood ... bummer.
The LCD is articulating .... it can be folded inward against the body so no way to scratch it during transportation.
The LCD is a touch screen and almost everything can be adjusted by this method. Also it responds to gestures like an i-phone.
The large files from a full frame shot are slower to process of course .... my 2018 MacBook Pro will often turn on the fans during processing.
No issue overheating at all but I have not shot video
No issue with battery life .... I shot for 2-3 hours yesterday and still had 1/2 battery power left. I did set the LCD and EVF to turn off in 1 minute.
I tried my EF 600mm f/4 with the extender ..... AF is the same, works great, covers almost the entire frame. IQ is better than the 800mm f/11 (you get what you pay for) and using 1.6 crop mode you get the field of view equal to a 960mm f/4 lens with 17 mp images. I need to try adding the 1.4 and 2.0 teleconverters!
That's the latest news from my perspective.
Thanks for the continued impressions Joel.
Just making sure you see it, new firmware on the R5 is out.
https://www.the-digital-picture.com/...spx?News=35061
Gordon Liang and DPReview have reviews out.
I need to make a small correction:
There is an option to show the live histogram in the EVF:cool:
Nice Joel! Can’t wait for your BIF shots! Keep the real life reviews coming!
Perfect birthday gift. My R6 and 800mm arrived today :D
Joel, was it so that you have been shooting without the lens hood? Had it ordered but that canon did not yet get to deliver =)
Anyways, once the weather clears someday soon i hope here, expect to get some bird images with R6 and rf800mm.
Correct....lens hood is not included with the RF 800mm lens. I have been using it without a hood. Most of the time I don't think it will be a problem but I like the extra protection that a lens hood provides for the front glass element. I guess with certain lighting conditions lens flare might come into play more often without a hood in place. The 800 is fun to use, especially in crop mode, but the IQ is not on par with L series EF lenses so I am undecided about keeping it at this point. I will be interested to read your impressions of it soon! Congrats on the new gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karsaa
Thanks ... I am looking forward to some BIF opportunities soon!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sinh Nhut Nguyen
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...d6d2b11b_o.jpg800mmtest by Kari, on Flickr
Image is nothing spectacular but have to say that the eye af was joy. Once got it setup right these birdies were joy to take images on this horrible backround, totally cloydy sky illuminated with some sun thru.
Very glad you are liking the R6 Kari. Looking forward to more pics.
Another video comparing the R5 to the 5DIV for birding. First half is really all R5, the comparison kicks off ~11 min. Seems fairly balanced, IMO. IQ was surprisingly (to the author) at low ISO, R5 was significantly better at high ISO. FPS, buffer and animal eye AF other significant advantages of the R5. 5DIV was better with TCs on his 600 f/4 except for low light, then the R5 was better. Etc.
Bit brighter weather and managed to pump into a crane family. Lots of cropped and still need to try remember how you edit bird images by not ower doing it like this but the EyeAF my goood it is good. The distance to this crane was something 300-400 metres atleast and yet, it found it.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...bb42437d_o.jpgCrane by Kari, on Flickr
And this was shot with R6 and the Rf 800mm F11 lens. Exif on image info.
Here are a few images using the R5 + Canon RF 100-500mm lens.
This may well be the ultimate handholdable rig and should be close to the perfect thing for BIF
https://joeleadephotography.zenfolio...74654584-4.jpg
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Beautiful!Quote:
Originally Posted by Karsaa
For those interested, Roger did his teardown of the R5:
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/202...orless-camera/
Seems improved weathersealing for the lower 2/3rds, typical weather sealing for the top 1/3. Densely packed electronics.
Another flurry of links:
Roger looking at the heat dissipation issue:
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/202...heat-emission/
Another wildlife review....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svfMrg55bBQ
This guy did a comparison to the 5DIV earlier....but a 1 month review from a wedding photographer...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8izgCPnrHc