135L vs 100 f2 Which do you prefer?

I am looking for a prime to be used on a 40D. I will use it for low light portraits around the house, andfor school plays. I have rented the 135L once, and fell in love with it. It is expensive however compared to the 100f2, and if I went with the 100f2, I could also get a 580EXII which I could really use. Obviously the reach of the 135L will help at school but it will hurt in closer quarters. Anyone have experience with these two lenses? Will I be disappointed with the 100 after using the 135L? I would love to see some comparison photos of real subjects.

135. Just position yourself accordingly when possible.


Why? The image quality is stellar ad it is one of the (if not the) sharpest lens Canon makes. The sharpness is ridiculously good. It makes any other lens look faulty at times.

I think the 135L has an edge even with price factor considered. I have a 85/1.8 and I think the lens will not keep up with the 135L wide open. The 100/2 is pretty much the same thing. Also, I would like to work with conventional focal lengths and the 135L is indeed very renown for its performance. So do get the 135L if you can.

I have both that I use for portraits. Depending on the situation, they both perform very well. Did a shoot this morning of some little boys(toddler and 2 1/2 yr old), and inside because of the weather. The 135L is almost too long(even on my 5Dll), and gets a little tight trying to frame....the 100f2 worked out perfect, and still has the bokeh to make it very effective. The colors might be just a touch better with the 135, but can't fault the 100. Plus, the 100 handles very well(small, light, fast focusing). Both are sharp as nails(I have good copies), and both do the same thing very effectively, with just different lengths. On crop camera's, I think you have to be a little more selective, but either are great. Here is a small example with the 100. ISO 400 f2.5@1/320[img]/cfs-file.ashx/__key/..._5F00_1465.jpg[/img]

Thanks everyone for the replies!


Greg,
Thanks for the photo, Do you see any noticeable difference in contrast. I agree, the bokeh looks great.


Tom

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Originally Posted by Tom Alicoate

if I went with the 100f2, I could also get a 580EXII which I could really use.

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If you're just adding a fourth or fifth 580 EX II flash unit to your collection in order to increase the flexibility of your mobile studio lighting system, I'd recommend that you make do with the flashes you have and go with the awesome 135mm f/2.


But if this will be your first Canon flash, then you should definitely wait on the 135mm f/2 and get the flash immediately. The range of photographic opportunities made possible by a flash are many times greater than any one lens.


What can the 135mm do for you? Same light, but better contrast, sharpness, bokeh, etc.


What can a flash do for you? Change light itself. Totally different photo.


If the light itself stinks (harshed, mixed color temperature, bad direction, etc.), then there's nothing the 135mm can do to help you. A flash is far more powerful for that reason.


Got harsh indoor lights? Bounce flash from 45 degrees and get soft, caressing light. Mixed daylight and flourescent? Overpower the flourescents with your own light and get a much better photo. Overpower sunlight itself. The possibilities are endless.

Daniel,
It would be my first flash, and I agree it is a whole new range of possibilities.Generally the look of flash photos do not seem as apealing to me as natural light. There is definitely some work required to get good photos with a flash, and not make them look like a flash was involved. I struggled with the different color of the light. Incandescents in the background and the whiter flash makes for photos that while exposed properly feel likea flash was used. Still it is a learning curve that I wouldn't mind climbing. Thanks for the advice.


Tom

Hey Tom...there might be just little difference in the contrast, with the 135 better. But, that is still something you can do in PP. I think that getting the 100 f2 and the 580 EXll( also used in the above photo as bounce), can still produce excellent results, and still save yourself some money, if you're on a budget. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love my 135L, and use it as often as I can. But sometimes, as in the situation above, I was limited indoors as far as distance was concerned, so the 100f2 worked out. Your decision, but I don't think you can go wrong with either. Just my humble opinion.

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There is definitely some work required to get good photos with a flash, and not make them look like a flash was involved.

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Yes. For some uses, you'll find it very easy to learn. For example, find a white wall and white cieling, point your flash at where they meet, put it on Manual, 1/250, f/5.6, and shoot. It's like having a twenty foot soft box you can fit in your pocket and setup in seconds.

"L" means luxury....there is alot of difference interms of performance and image quality.

OK, I'm going to throw in a twist here - for the money I'd go with the Canon 85 1.8 and the Sigma 150mm f/2.8 EX Macro - possibly the sharpest lens made. First the 85mm 1.8 - for me its a magic lens that can do no wrong - on 1-series bodies (FF and 1.3 crop) this lens never disappoints. I've owned the 135L and its clearly a nice lens, but not THAT nice for the money (as card-carrying member and past President of the Cheap B*stard Camera Club). Throw on top of that the Sigma 150mm EX Macro and you will have depth and versatility like never before. Take a look at the Fred Miranda reviews on the Sigma 150mm f/2.8 EX Macro - http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/s...hp?product=280 - never has a non-Canon L lens received such positive reviews. As either portrait or macro, its simply stunning and a total go-to lens. You should be able to find both the Canon 85 1.8 and the Sigma for under $800 used.

Rob,


Thanks, I have never heard of that sigma before. I will take a look at it. Is there anything to know about using a macro as a normal portrait lens? Is it just slower to focuswith the ability to focus close?


Tom

Tom - You are exactly right. The Sigma 150mm macro has a three-position focusing limiter switch to try and cut down on the hunting for focus. Under normal lighting for portraiture, I don't have a problem with the AF, but there are cicrumstances where it hunts. Its sharpness and overall IQ is what sets it apart, though. Ditto the 85 1.8 - and it does have fast and accurate AF - I often use it for indoor basketball. It's a very very versatile lens with little if any shortcomings (I can't think of any at the moment...)


Rob

The 135mm may be a bit long at home with your 40D--it's the equivalent of a 216mm lens on a full-frame camera. The 100mm is like a 160mm on a full-frame camera. It will depend upon your circumstances. On the other hand, you may find the longer reach of the 135mm f/2L useful for


I don't have the 135mm f/2L, but I do have the 100mm f/2 and the 85mm f/1.8, both of which are very nice lenses. (Check Bryan's reviews of them here.) They are not only cheaper than the 135mm f/2L, but quite a bit smaller/lighter. I've used both for indoor sports (equestrian events).


Here's another suggestion: if you can get by with one stop less--f/2.8 vs f/2, consider the 100mm f/2.8 Macro lens. It's sharper than any of the others mentioned and has no CA, flaring, etc., to speak of. For a little bit more than the 100mm f/2 (but less than the 135mm f/2L), you'd get the added benefit of one of the best macro lenses around. It can focus to 1:1 image size and focuses quite quickly in reasonable light. Again, check Bryan's review: as he says, "
The Canon EF 100mm f/2.8 USM Macro Lens is an excellent macro lens - and may be Canon's most fun per dollar lens." I would agree. The only reason that I have the 100mm f/2 is for those indoor sports shots.


There's yet another suggestion. Again, if you can get by with one stop less (may not work for those school plays!), the 135mm f/2.8 Soft Focus works very nicely. If you set the "soft focus" control to "0," it's not bad. (The biggest drawback I've found is that it doesn't have the USM focussing system. It's OK, but not as quick to focus.) It's also quite cheap at $295. For the price of the 135mm f/2L, you could get a lens and a flash or two lenses.


B&H Prices: 135mm f/2L = $935; 100mm f/2 = $410; 100mm f/2.8 Macro = $490.

I have the 200 f/2.8L II (a supposedly similar lens to the 135L)and 100mm f/2.0. I'd say the 200L is better hands down! I use both shooting indoor face and headshots of my 4 year old (adults don't like pictures taken this way - too much got revealed). 100mmf/2 is not a bad lens at all. Just the 200 (or in your case the 135L) is so much better.

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OK, I'm going to throw in a twist here - for the money I'd go with the Canon 85 1.8 and the Sigma 150mm f/2.8 EX Macro - possibly the sharpest lens made.
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Bryan's ISO crop comparisons seem to favor the 135L ever so slightly. The Sigma looks at first appearance to be a bit superior when both are wide open, but when the 135 is stopped down to f/2.8, it looks a little sharper, had has more even illumination.


I had a sigma 150 f/2.8 macro for a little while, and it seems like a nice lens, and I haven't had a 135L. But I'd lean toward a 135L. Actually, I'm thinking maybe I'll toss my 50 f/1.2L (I'm getting pissed at the autofocus at short range, and the bokeh is great, but it only gets you so far) and if I can get enough to make it relatively painless, get a 135L... But then I think, I really love my 70-200 so very much, and I'd only be gaining one stop, and the gain in resolution, though nice, isn't really what's limiting what I do, it's me [:(]


Better to sit on my hands maybe [:(]

Thanks to everyone for your responses. I have decided on the 135L even if I have to save my pennies for a little while. Hopefully it will be in stock at B&amp;H by then.


Tom

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There is definitely some work required to get good photos with a flash, and not make them look like a flash was involved.

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Yes. For some uses, you'll find it very easy to learn. For example, find a white wall and white cieling, point your flash at where they meet, put it on Manual, 1/250, f/5.6, and shoot. It's like having a twenty foot soft box you can fit in your pocket and setup in seconds.
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Tom, let me second Daniel's suggestion here. These settings are precisely the same ones I use, using an 580EXII, and it's just as Daniel says: it's like having a soft box in your pocket.


Those settings give you a good shutter speed that will help freeze the subject, yet a good depth of field for pleasing looking photos. You will see the room flooded with light, and nary a shadow to deal with.


Sometimes, bumping up the ISO will also be necessary, if the room isn't well lit.


As to the lens, my vote is for the 135 L.