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With the wealth of talent and knowledge out there, I recently suggested to Bryan (our webmaster and provider of this great service--The Digital Picture) that he add a link to photographic tips and techniques by the forum members, similar to what he has included under "Tips" on the home page. He seemed to agree and ask that I assist and compile this info for easy upload to the site. I gladly accepted.


I know many of you have provided tips, techniques and recipes for your methods of capturing and processing great photographs, packing for a photo shoot or essential equipment for any particular photographic genre, etc. I thought it would be handy to be able to reference these tips without having to remember where and when they were posted.


I have seen many of you post great tips and techniques and am asking that anyone willing to submit thier photographic methods, submit them to me via PM. Again, this could include methods for a particular type of subject, post processing, rules for equipment etc---virtually anything that could help another photographer in their quest.


Joel, you are the first one that comes to mind and I am going to pick on you and ask that you submit your Photoshop recipe for isolating your subject and your techniques for shooting songbirds.---I have learned so much from you--I am sure others would love to know your processes and techniques.


Ben Taylor, Your night sky photos are wonderful please feel free to formalize and submit your recipe success.


Sean, You seem to be the Strobist of the group, please share some of your secrets.


There are so many others out there that have something useful to offer----Please do so, even if your techniques conflict with the norm--ultimately, it

Bob , I would like to know how to to take better picture of HB with and without flash from you. remember those water drop?, maybe that one too.


good idea!

Bob-


It might be simpler to create an index of informative posts that link back to their specific discussion threads. I mean, if the info is already in the system, why not just link to it?

Wouldn

Come to think about it, is there a way to link directly to a comment post?

I can just get to the page it was on and not the specific comment.

OK I

I like the idea and I am honored to be asked to contribute.


It will take me a week or so to put something together.

Good idea, it would be handy.

All, Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, I haven't been getting any responses in my mail box, so I thought no one was interested---Stupid me, I failed to select "email subscribe"---Anyway, thanks for the responses.


@JJ, I am not to good with "natural light" on hummingbirds, but I have learned alot since working with flashes and would be glad to put a small article together. Regarding the water drops---well that was a one weekend endeavor, But I will try and recall ( I too am old) how I shot those drops. Perhaps my exif info will help jog my memory.


@Sean, Your right about the ease of simply linking to the original discussions, and that might be an option for those seeking additional info, but many of our strings are often sidetracked into to other discussions so I am trying to avoid some of that for the sake of the tutorials. However we could link to them under something like "additional discussion" or something like that.


@Raid, Since my email is already public, please feel free to use this: ]r.williams270@comcast.net for any submissions


@Joel, Thanks


@All, Here is what Bryan has requested in regards to submissions for this endeavor.


"Probably simplest would be to send each edited and sell-checked page in an email using standard paragraph breaks. Attach images with proper copyrights in place and Include tags in the text to indicate where the images should go. I’ll copy and paste the content into my standard layout and include the images. It is helpful for me to have product links to the site’s various affiliates where it makes sense - for financing the site of course. I can give you the affiliate link formulas or drop them in myself. I’m definitely open to ideas. Let me know any other thoughts you have."


So, this discussion is a great start, lets keep it rolling----


Bob

To all, I have "almost" finished my article on Hummingbirds. I still need to add a couple of pictures, a graphic or two, some references and ultimately finalize it. But before I do any of that I would like some of you to read the article before I submit it to Bryan and give me your thoughts on it. I do apologize, its kind of a long read, but hopefully usefull to someone out there---If you choose to read and comment on it, please feel free to let me know what areas need work, and what areas I can limit or abreviate and most of all, please let me know if there are any technical errors.


Thanks,


Bob


Here it Is:



Shooting Humming Birds:


I am by no means an expert when it comes to shooting hummingbirds, but I have learned some things since I began shooting these guys last year and I would like to share some of my thoughts and technique on the subject.


As with any other genre, There are probably many ways to shoot humming birds, but I have had the best luck using one or more flashes vice natural light so I will focus this tutorial on the flash technique as it relates to shooting humming birds feeding or in flight. If you want to shoot humming birds that are perched or in a fountain, nest or some other static environment than standard flash and natural light exposure technique should work fine.


Skill Level:


A basic understanding of exposure is very helpful. Knowledge of aperture (F stop), shutter speed, ISO white balance as well as a basic understanding of angle of view and depth of field will make this tutorial easier to understand and will greatly improve your chances of capturing great hummingbird photos.


Required equipment:


Camera capable of full manual mode


Lens that will provide at least a little distance between the camera and the target area. 100mm will do, but I suggest 200mm or better with a manual focus option


external flash (with manual mode)


tripod


Optional equipment:


More external flashes with some type of stands (homemade stands work just fine)


remote flash triggers (no need to go with expensive ones here, non-ETTL triggers are far less expensive and work great for this type of shooting)


Remote shutter release (wired or radio)


(I do recommend radio shutter and flash triggers instead of infrared devices since sunlight and distance commonly interfere with reliable functioning of infrared devices.)


As with any other photographic genre, you can always add/buy more stuff---but this should get you started in producing excellent photos of hummingbirds


Environment:


If you are going to shoot hummingbirds then you need to find or build an area that hummingbirds frequent. This could be as simple as hanging and maintaining one or more hummingbird feeders in a shaded area, to a full blown hummingbird garden. There are lots of tutorials on the internet and bookstores on building hummingbird environments so I'll limit that discussion here. But I would suggest that you find an area (commonly your back yard) to hang a feeder. When you do so, take note of the surrounding area; try and place your feeder in a shaded area and where there will be a pleasant background at least 3 feet away; trees, bushes, flower beds, solid colored fences or exterior house walls all work well. I would also suggest that you hang your feeder out of harm's way from yours or the neighborhood cat!!!!


Flash Basics


Let's face it, humming bird photography is high speed photography similar to capturing a bullet plowing through a watermelon. Since shutter speeds of a typical DSLRs are normally very limited, freezing this kind of action requires that the motion be stopped with flash. I know it is natural to think of high speed shutter when thinking high speed subject but even with the most expensive DSLRs you are normally limited to 1/8000th of a second---and that just isn't enough to freeze or even acceptably limit hummingbird motion.


Here is a "paraphrased" explanation provided by: Eric J. Miller @ http://www.dyesscreek.com/miscellaneous_pages/howto_1.html


The wings of a Ruby Throated humming bird beat at 50-60 times per second and have a wing span of 3-4 inches. This means the wing tips travel 6-8 inches from front to back, more or less. This also means that the wings travel between 300 and 500 inches per second. So a shutter speed of 1/1000 second will capture about 1/2 inch of movement which equates to a total blur of the wings. Of course the 1/2 inch distance isn't always true since the wings don't move at a constant speed. Instead, they move through one beat stop (or slowdown greatly) then move in the opposite direction . So catching detail in the wings means you would need a faster shutter speed than even very expensive DSLRs can provide.


Since shutter speed isn't enough to freeze or limit the action of hummingbirds, we use flash to do the job. Below is the flash duration of a Canon 580 EXII at selected power levels:


1/1 power = 1/1000 second
1/2 power = 1/2000
1/4 power = 1/4000
1/8 power = 1/9000
1/16 power = 1/15000
1/32 power = 1/21000
1/64 power = 1/30000
1/128 power = 1/35000


This info courtesy of: http://www.photosbykev.com/wordpress...lash-duration/


What this means is that the flash is only lit for the indicated amount of time, depending on the setting. So if you adjust your camera settings so that no ambient light effects the shot, then apply flash at a reduced setting, you can freeze or limit motion that is at or less than the flash duration.


Now, all of this may seem complicated but it is really very easy; simply stated, instead of adjusting shutter speed to limit motion, we use flash adjustments to limit motion. That's easy.


The amount of motion (or wing blur) you allow will be a matter of your own taste. Some people like to see the wings of a hummingbird frozen, but others like some level of wing blur to imply motion and look natural. The difference is up to you and what you find pleasing. But regardless of your taste, you can easily adjust your flash(s) to yield the results you find most appealing.


Depth of Field and Aperture


When shooting hummingbirds, you are normally shooting at close range with a telephoto lens. This means that the depth of field (area in focus) is going to be very narrow. With some lenses you could be limited to less than 1/4 inch of area that is in focus at wide apertures. To defeat this, we simply reduce the aperture as much as we can. To keep a bird sharp we need to tighten down (reduce) the aperture as much as possible but still yield a properly exposed bird. F11 or f16 are nice starting points and you can adjust from there. If you have enough flash power, you might want to try apertures at F22.


Shutter Speed


Since we are using flash we need to keep the shutter speed at or below sync speeds. Depending on your camera, your shutter sync speeds are normally 250 or below---many cameras have sync speeds of 200 or below so make sure you read your user's manual if you are unsure. I commonly shoot hummingbirds at 1/125 shutter speed.


ISO


To limit noise, I normally will try and keep my ISO at or below 400 and preferably below 200.


The Background:


As with most other genres , the background is equally as important as the subject. So selecting a pleasing background is also very important. Since we are shooting humming birds, plants and flowers usually make a pleasing background that fits with the subject matter. But solid colored walls, fences and even shade trees also make great natural backgrounds. Some hummingbird photographers prefer the use of artificial backgrounds which make for very nice bird portraits, are easier to light and often provide smooth even colors. Artificial backgrounds can be something as simple as colored poster board or something as complicated as full studio backdrops---your imagination is really the only limit here. One thing to keep in mind, since you are working with narrow apertures and wider depth of fields, that creamy blurred background look can be a challenge.


If your background has too much detail or looks "clumpy" try moving the background further away from the feeder or move the feeder further away from the background. Lighting the background can also be a challenge and this is why many photographers like using more than one flash or will use an smooth colored artificial backdrop to even out the background of the shot. It is also common for photographers to use combination of artificial and natural background together. Something like potted flowers with a colored poster board behind them to even out the light and dark spots. The choice is simply a matter of taste, Your taste. Try different things.


The setup: (basic starting point)


1-Bird feeder- shaded, at least 3 ft from a pleasing background that is also shaded


(note: if you have a feeder with more than one feeding hole, put a little piece of tape over all of the feeding holes except the one you plan to focus on)


2. Camera on tripod at a distance that will provide near but not completely full frame shot of bird (leave a little room for bird movement)


3. Flash mounted on camera


4. Shutter trigger (wired or radio) mounted


5. Starting Settings:


Camera set on manual


ISO-200


Shutter @ highest sync speed i.e 1/200 or 1/250th


f/16


Flash set to manual and 1/16th power


White balance set to flash


6. Focus: With camera/lens set to manual focus, place a nail or similar object in the feeding hole of the feeder and focus on the nail. If your camera is live view capable, set the camera to live view x 10, then do a detailed focus on the nail then turn off live view. (don't forget to remove the nail from the feeder hole)


7. You are now ready to shoot---grab a chair, a beverage of your choice and the shutter trigger---each time a bird comes to the feeder---snap one or more shots, after a few shots, get up and take a look: Adjust exposure, framing and focus as needed.


Important Note: Don't terrorize the birds. Take a few shots, then let the birds feed for a minute or two without flashes going off in their face. Most birds will get used to the flash and the "pop" that occurs when the flash unit discharges. Also, different birds have different tolerances for this. You may have a bird that is oblivious to the flashes, but you can also have a bird that is very nervous around the flash. pay attention and be kind to your subjects. If you follow this rule, the birds will reward you many times over.


If the shots are dark (underexposed), bump up the ISO and try again, if you bump the ISO up to 400 and the bird is still underexposed, reduce the aperture by one or two notches---but not below F9,


If they are light (over exposed), bump the ISO down


If they are out of focus, Check your focus again on live view x10--but remember, the bird is only going to be in focus when they are at the focal plane of the feeding hole, so it may take several shots to get a sharp image.----Out of a hundred shots, you may only get 3 or 4 that are really sharp---patience and tenacity is the key here. A change in the birds position by as little as a quarter inch can mean the difference between a properly exposed, in focus shot and one that is not. So shoot at least 20 or 30 shots before you decide to change settings.


If you are getting "ghosting" which is a blurring or multiple images of the same wing , you are letting too much ambient light in (a common problem when shooting out doors) you may have to reduce your exposure settings and increase your flash output or you can block some of the incoming natural light with a dark curtain or black poster board placed between the subject and the ambient light source.


Although great technique will increase your chances of a successful day of shooting, there is a lot of luck involved with shooting hummingbirds too. Be patient and try often. As with any other art form practice is the key to success.


Moving beyond the basics


Multiple Flashes:


As with any other photographic subject, you can push hummingbird photography as far as your imagination (and checkbook) will take you. Multiple flashes, high end lenses, expensive backdrops, flash triggers can all serve to improve your results. But.......There are also inexpensive ways to get great hummingbird shots.


Let's talk about flashes first. If I had to suggest just one way to improve hummingbird photography---it would be to move to a multiple flash set-up. Multiple strobes/speedlights/flashes can really help in lighting the bird, freezing the action and lighting the background; But, you don't necessarily have to go with the expensive equipment. By sticking with manual inexpensive flash units you can achieve great results without breaking the bank. For Example, you can purchase 4 or 5 Vivitar 285 HV flash units for the price of one top of the line Canon or Nikon flash. The same thing goes with remote triggers. If you are ok with non-ETTL flash triggers then consider the inexpensive ones as an option. One word of caution. When buying equipment, consider all of the uses you will have for that equipment. For example: if you plan to use the same flashes for hummingbirds, weddings and portraiture, then you may want to go with some of the more expensive and versatile equipment or simply use a combination of high end and inexpensive units. Decisions like this are far beyond the scope of this article, so I'll end this topic with "you don't have to take out a second mortgage to achieve great hummingbird shots" .


Back to multiple flashes: As I said before, multiple flashes can make a huge difference in your H-Bird photography, so let's re-visit some of the basics. Since we are trying to freeze or at least limit some of the wing blur, we are working with significantly reduced flash power/flash duration. This often requires more flashes to adequately expose the subject (and background). Considering the reduced flash duration and the narrow apertures we often have to increase the light on the subject. Since we want to maintain our camera settings for depth of field, flash sync shutter speeds and ISO and ultimately to isolate ambient light, we really only have two options.


First, More flash units. I have found that two or three lights on the bird is more than enough to produce good detail and good exposure. The same goes with the background. Wow---four to six lights, that can get expensive---yep, but there are still options, see below.


Second, if you don't have more flash units to put on the subject or background, use the inverse square law. Ok, what is the inverse square law? Simply stated, it says that if you reduce the distance between the flash and the subject by 1/2 then you will double the amount of light on the subject. To explain: If your flash unit is 4 feet from the bird feeder, and you find your shots are underexposed, then move your flash 2 feet closer and you will double the light on the bird.. Hummingbirds will often tolerate flash units as close as 6-12 inches from them. They are normally more interested in the food than they are in your flash set-up.


Lens Choice:


You can adequately frame a hummingbird with virtually any lens simply by moving the camera closer or further away from the subject. So big, expensive telephoto lenses are not necessarily required for great H-Bird shots. The problem arises with the back ground. The smaller your lens is the more background you will have to deal with. The inverse is also true, the longer your lens is, the less background you will have to deal with in regards to staging, composition and lighting. My recommendation is to start with the longest lens availble to you. This limits the amount of background you have to deal with and also provides some distance between you and the birds. Once you practice with your longest lens, then you can work with the shorter lenses to develop the perspective and technique that you prefer.


Getting flowers into the shot


Let's face it, no matter how good a hummingbird shot is, it just looks like its missing something if it doesn't have flowers or vegetation in it; but... how do you predict which flower a hummingbird is going to decide to feed from? Well, You don't. Instead, you create an area that the birds will be drawn to. This this is where those bird feeders come in to play. You have labored all summer long to keep fresh nectar in the H-bird feeders, the birds now flock to those feeders so you could simply replace a feeder with a flower---Sounds easy, and it is---but how do you get a flower where the feeder is? Feeders are usually high above the ground and higher than flowers normally grow? Simply, you manufacture a device that you can stick a flower in that you can place exactly where the feeder is and remove the feeder.-------when the birds come looking for the feeder, all they have is that one flower to nibble from.


It sounds simple, but there is more to it than that. Once you have a device that you can stick a flower into and that flower is in the same place the feeder was -----you need to pick a flower that the birds would normally be drawn to. For example: Hummingbirds don't normally feed from daises' or roses or sunflowers, but they do feed from trumpet vine flowers, honeysuckle, butterfly bushes, etc. Choose a flower (a tubular flower works best) that the birds normally feed from to replace your feeder with. Now what? Assuming you choose a flower the birds normally feed from, the birds may buzz around looking for thier feeder but they will eventually hit the flower . To keep the birds coming back to that same flower, place a few drops of nectar (feeder water) in the flower. Make sure you refill the flower often


Note: To get a good focus on the anticipated bird----focus on the center or tube portion of the tubular flower you have staged. This should give you a pretty good chance of a well focused bird when he/she comes to feed from the staged flower.

Fantastic, Bob ---- thanks very much for this. You are very generous to take the time to share your hard-earned experience. Now I wish we had more hummers up here in the Great White North!

That was a beautiful job with perfect timing Bob. Thank you.

Wow, Bob! You really put alot into this for all of us! Thank you so very much!! Now, if you could only supply me with the hb

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Ben Taylor, Your night sky photos are wonderful please feel free to formalize and submit your recipe success

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Can do Bob. First on my list though will be the RRS TVC-34L and RRS BH-55 review. Looks like thetripod turned up in the post today after being on backorder for a couple of weeks. Can't wait to get home... as if end of month reporting doesn't make the day long enough already without having to look at the clock every 2 mins to check if it's time to go home and play with a new toy! [:)]

thanks for taking the time Bob....nice effort.


But being a flash neophyte I do have a question. As you know I

Bill, ever look into the "better beamer" for your flash? Seems to be something used quite a bit with telephoto lenses. Been thinking of getting one to use with my 400mm.

Rocco;


Yes I have one (used w/100-400), but I only used it when shooting a longer distance subject, e.g. 50 feet (15m) or more. Also, I haven

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thanks for taking the time Bob....nice effort.

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Thanks Bill

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But being a flash neophyte I do have a question. As you know I'm using a 500mm f4 IS sometimes attaching the 1.4x. When I set up the flash there is a "zoom" choice.

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---Don't worry, you are not the only flash neophyte, I also can claim that label[:S].

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I only get mine up to 105mm. What do you set the zoom on?

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I normally set mine to 105 as well (when I remember) that's the max on a 580EXII. But as Rocco said, the better beamer works very well to give you amore reach when needed. Just this last weekend I had kind of an odd issue. While shooting hummers @ about 11 ft with my 500 and extension tube, I kept getting images where the bottom third of the frame was dark, I readjusted my flashes several times but it kept happening, Thoroughly confused I consulted the owners manual and led me to believe that if I widened my flash, then it would correct my problem and it did. I was actually fairly surprised by this. I just assumed that 105 mm flash would be much wider than a 500mm image especially at 11 feet---so, when working at this close range with the flash, I either widen the flash to about 80mm or tilt the flash down a notch--both seem to work.


Sorry for the long answer, but since this just happened to me, I thought it might be helpful if someone elsehad experienced the problem.


Thanks,


Bob

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Now, if you could only supply me with the hb's to practice on!

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What, Your birds are gone already[:(]--sorry to hear that. Down here, they are in full swing, all of the babies are hatched and flying and all of the adults are trying to keep them away from the feeders---its like a warzone here with 15 or twenty birds fighting for territory--which actually makes it more difficult to get a decent shot, but I am going to try some more flowers this weekend.


Thanks again,


Bob

I think you are supposed to set your flash to 50mm to get the best results when using the better beamer. That

I reckon this is certainly a good idea, to collate all of our collective knowledge into some nice

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Also, I'd like to contribute something, but i'm sure all of you are way more advanced than me for the regular subjects. If anyone thinks it's worth having a article on Lensbabies or Pinhole photography (or indeed any weird and wonderful 'low-fi' junk you can get off ebay for $5), then that's probably something I could do...

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Dr. C. I'd love to see something on Lens Babies or Pin Hole photography----I have a friend at work who who recently purchased a pinhole film camera----Wow--the depth of field is amazing with those things----Yes, by all means, please submit what you know or are learning.


Thanks,


Bob

Ok, Tony (Raid), Joel and myself have submitted projects that should show up when Bryan has the time. In the mean time, I posted mine on my own website just to see how it looked as a completed web page---keep in mind that my web scheme and Bryan's are completely different, but you should get the idea. Take a look and tell me what you think.


Shooting Hummingbirds: A Few Basics to Get You Started


Tony, Joel, how about a sneak peak from you guys--[;)]

Bob, I don't have a web site so the only thing I could do would be to post it here.


Probably not a good idea if Bryan is going to put it on the site officially.


Here are some of the images I used for my article.....


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Thanks Joel, I just wanted to bump the string and regenerate some interest in this ---Btw, I really like your ideas and have some plans for my own backyard based on some of your ideas.


Thanks Joel.

Thanks Bob,


I kinda strayed from your original request about sharing photoshop techniques but if you like I can put together another article on that.


Joel

To all, I wanted to bump this string again, to let you all know that Bryan has posted a few "tips" from the forums. Please take a look at the "Tips" section of Bryan

I saw it in the news section. Good tips so far!

Just to bump the thread a little:

We have rec'd some great tips so far and Bryan is processing more of them for additions to the "Photography Tips from the Forums" Please take a look and tell the contributors and Bryan what you think. If you have a tip of your own, please let me know and we can work together to get them posted for all to appreciate.

Thanks