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I second the opinion that the RT system is fantastic. The ability to control power levels of multiple flashes, right from the camera, is incredibly useful - particularly when one or more of the flashes is up high on a light stand or boom.
Note: the 600EX-RT is just $425 now at Adorama with the Buy Together deal mentioned on the News feed. Very, very tempting...
I second that this system is first class. The flash units are not much different from the 580EX but the addition of the RT has made all the difference. I must say that they are even that much better when combined with the ST-E3-RT. I have been able to put away all my other methods of flash triggers.
My problem is that I want 4 more of these.
Note that they only function to their max (speaking of group function) with the 5DIII and above.
I posted this limitation last year and will be glad to review it if anyone is interested.
Apparently the YN version of the ST-E3-RT allows Group flash with pre-2012 bodies (via the transmitter, but not the camera menus). It also has an AF assist lamp, for those that miss that feature from the Canon controller.Quote:
Originally Posted by iND
Agree with radio trans. And the ability to control the flashes but one thing I love is the CFn (custom function) is that it is now readable no need to carry around a CFn list or manual around to figure out what 01 01 is.
I replaced the 580 EXII immediately when the 600's came out. I now own four and the ST-E4. Absolutely no regrets. I was using the PW radio remotes which were IMO worthless.
YN VERSION?
Where would I find the YN? version?
Sounds useful to allow my 50D collection to utilize the 600EX-RT groups function
This is the product Neuro is talking about: Yongnuo YN-E3-RT
Also note: The YN-E3-RT says it supports 2nd Curtain Sync (in M mode), which the Canon version does not. Interesting...
The PW system is finicky, but has a couple of advantages over the Canon -RT system - first, the ability to radio control a blended group of Speedlites and monolights, and second, the AC3 Zone Controller, where if 3 groups and a 6-stop range is enough, there's no faster way to adjust power levels.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thom Deevers
Hopefully, Canon or Yongnuo will come out with an -RT receiver that will allow triggering a monolight.
Yes, if I really need wireless for both, I could get the CyberSync setup. The PocketWizard transmitter/transceiver don't accept an input, so there's no way to connect them to the PC terminal. Likewise, while the PWs have hotshoes on bottom and top, and will pass through with a master flash and allow those settings to be transmitted via PW radio, that setup does not work to trigger via both PW radio (for a monolight) and Canon RT flash. I hoped it would, but no joy.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrw
I'm reading between the lines a bit here - are you saying the PW "filters" the data stream such that the PW-mounted flash is incapable of serving as a master, only as an "individual contributor" flash? I'm curious, as I've done the "stack the Profoto Air remote atop a PW Mini atop a camera" hack before (to trigger key/fill Profoto D1 Airs, plus PW-ed 580EX II hair/background lights), and I'm contemplating doing the "PW Mini/Flex atop the camera to trigger a remote Flex, which in turn triggers the Profoto Air remote to trigger my D1 Airs" so that I can use multiple cameras without buying multiple Profoto Air Remotes yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by neuroanatomist
I honestly don't recall whether it was the PW-triggered Einstein or the RT-triggered 600's, but one of them didn't when I stacked the ST-E3 on the MiniTT1.
I have read the review.
What I want to see, not read now, is how powerful the 600ex rt is to the 430ex ii, I plan on buying either one of those flashes end of this month pay day, including shipping tax and duties on the 600ex rt if thats what I buy.
Is it possible someone can link me to pictures and or video directly comparing the flash powers of the 600ex rt and the 430ex ii, I do not want to regret my choice.
I already have the Canon 7D and efs 15-85mm and my main reason for a flash in addition to personal reasons, is to make money!
Welcome to the forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Edon
Depends on the focal lengths you plan to use. I suspect you can find exactly what you're looking for you if you simply google a comparison between the 430 and the 580. The 600 isn't any brighter than a 580, but the head can zoom to 200mm EFL, thereby concentrating the light tighter for longer reach at the expense of breadth of coverage. For lenses of 105mm and shorter EFL, you won't see a difference between the 580 and 600.
If you're in it for personal reasons, I'd encourage you to consider one of two approaches: 430 now and 600 later, or 600 now and ST-E3-RT later.
You are right, the guid number of the 600ex rt to the 580ex ii is only two points up, only real difference between the 2 is range, which is far easier to visualise as we all know distance, than the power of technology I dont have experience with.
And yes we all used cameras with built in flash, though you know what I mean.
And there are no direct comparisons between 600ex rt 430ex ii.
So your idea is great! thanks
Not sure how helpful a visual demonstration would be, but guide number differences certainly aren't a very useful comparator.
If it helps, the 600EX-RT has light output that's ~2/3-stop greater than the 430EX II. So, if you needed ISO 640 with the 430EX II, you could use ISO 400 with the 600EX-RT, or if you needed f/2.8 with the 430, you could stop down to f/3.5 for a bit more DoF with the 600.
Lots of other useful features on the 600, like better head rotation, the catchlight panel, weather sealing, etc.