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Other than the flip screen, this comment from Bryan's review is the most welcome development:
"And, using a completely electronic shutter is another option. The EOS R has that feature, aptly named silent shutter, allowing it to capture images in complete silence."
For wildlife this is a nice addition.
I have heard of some journalists and wedding photographers very interested in that feature as well.
Other news of the day...Roger did the tear down.....
https://www.lensrentals.com/blog/201...orless-camera/
I'm excited for the Eos R - although there seems to be a couple short falls with the silent shutter at the moment- still only single shot- and not continuous focus.
BUT it will probably be fixed in software.
I've been doing weddings 3 years now, the silent mode on the Canon 5Diii is usually good enough. But I have 1/2 switched to Sony for the 100% silent mode.
The Sony really is a great beast and with the adapter I can use my Canon lenses. -- But I still prefer the canon to adjust focus point and ergonomics.
IF canon ever decides to add intervalometer to R...i will buy it instantly =)
Is anyone here using the R?
Dave
I believe this group has pretty successfully avoided the R. Busted was looking at the RP. Neuroanatomist does have an R.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Throgmartin
As an FYI, there is a good thread on the R/RP:
https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?threads/canon-rp-thread.37329/
https://www.canonrumors.com/forum/index.php?threads/replacement-eos-r-or-5d-mark-iv-again.37028/
This is more just pretty pictures, but it does seem like people are coming along with the R even in terms of BIF...
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1585893/0
I held the R in my hands tonight and the overall conclusion is that mirrorless is not for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kayaker72
1. I have a medium size hands and don't like the smaller grip. This is why I left the Rebel line. There is noticeably less to hold onto than the 6D.
2. I can't get used to the EVF. It is large and clear, but is like watching the scene through a TV. It's just weird to me.
3. I am a back button focus user and the AF ON button placement is too close to the shutter. My right thumb falls perfectly on the 6D AF ON button.
If I buy another camera in the short term it will certainly be the 6D Mark II. I was an outspoken critic of this camera upon release.on this forum, but have warmed to it as my wife has used one and really likes hers.
1. Ergonomics to me are near perfect, I've been using the original 6D for 6 years now so it is programmed into my brain
2. AF point reliability consistency vs 6D one cross type center point
3. Flippy touch screen
4. Moderate resolution gain
5. It is likely the last of its kind
The low ISO DR is disappointing, but... the many good factors it brings to the table out weigh the bad. I typically shoot HDR when range is an issue and will blend that image with a conventionally edited image.
Dave
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While different, this list reminded me of why I do not enjoy using my M3 system. Despite the AF that could be better, it is a very capable system. But to hold the very small M3 with one hand, then zooming this tiny lens with the other just feels awkward. On a DSLR, just by being bigger, the same arrangement feels natural. Then on something small, awkward. Doing everything with one hand on the G7XII feels natural.
What can I say, ergonomics is real.
The EVF works (evf-dc1 mounted to the M3), but it is dead on your #2. With an OVF I feel like I am part of the scene so I enjoy the overall experience, so far my experience with EVFs is that I suddenly feel removed from the scene, like I am watching a video of the scene and I enjoy the experience less.
As a hobbyist, enjoyment of the experience is very high on my criteria for a camera. As I've watched, a number of the youtubers that have switched to Sony do not use the EVF. Landscape photographers and, of course, videographers seem to almost always be using the back panel LCD, and there the tilty-flippy screen of something like the A7R III is nice if not crucial. It is only a few that do portraits or travel photography that I've seen use the EVF.
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Originally Posted by Dave Throgmartin
So, I really wonder about this. I am still of the mind that Canon will have at least one more generation of DSLRs. If rumors are true, then the 1DxIII is next. I have not yet tried the R system, but I am thinking there is a good chance my reaction is similar to yours. It has been with the M system. So, if there is enough of us to constitute a market, I think Canon is smart enough to serve that market. We may not seen many new EF lenses, but the system is really well populated. So, here is hoping for a 5DV and a 6DIII that are very solid updates. We'll see in 2020 to 2021.
I think the R is an awesome camera for people who really enjoy mirrorless and prefer Canon. I have no data to support this, but I suspect mirrorless may be very popular with millenials in particular who grew up in the era of everyone having cell phones.
Canon will produce whatever will sell. If the mirrorless revolution does not happen in the short term, then DSLRs will continue.
Dave
I am curious and seriously looking at an R for xmas this year. What if any type of experience do you have shooting kids sports with it? I have a 6D, 80D, 7D and have really be considering this purchase for a while. I don't want to spend the extra grand for a 5D IV. Tips, photos appreciated!
I don't think anyone on the site has the EOS R.
Dave
For me the EOS R is not the right compromise. When photography is incidental to the occasion I like the M5 with the 22mm pancake (or 50mm 1.8 with adapter). The rest of the time I prefer the 5D IV.
A point of ergonomics not too often mentioned is that the mass of the camera plus lens is helpful for eliminating effects fine tremor of the hands and fingers, at least until they fatigue.
I am very closely now following all the info that is coming out from the EOS Ra. I am not suprised if i have that some point next year to replace my 5div with it. Since i am mostly taking pictures nightime, this body is sooooo tempting.
If the rumors are correct, I am waiting for the uber high megapixel version and then I will be done w/ hardware for awhile.
For those on the fence, I was in Hunt's Photo & Video today and they have the R and RP at the Canon rebated price of $1,799/$999 plus a $200/$100 gift card, respectively.
Well, refurb at $1229 in the Canon store had me. I'll let you know once the weather clears and I have a chance to use it.
Ha! I am actually glad someone pulled the trigger on that sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jayson
From what I hear, the eye AF for family shots is really something. That has been my main temptation to take advantage of the sale, but checking out pictures from all the Christmas parties where I took candid shots, the 24-70 f/2.8 really did not miss much at all. I will say the few I took with the 85 f/1.4 (@f/1.6-2 usually), there was a higher miss rate there (of course). So, I'd be curious what your hit rate is with candid shots taken with shallow dof and primes.
Hey Jayson (or anyone else with the R).
Just checking in on impressions? Specifically about the EVF. It looks more and more like Canon is about to get very series with the R5/R6.
I am still getting used to it but I really like it. My general initial impressions (no tech talk)...I was initially not too fond of the EVF, but now that I have used it more, I actually prefer it to the OVF. I like that I see what I am taking a picture of exposure wise. I take many photos of my kids in all sorts of lighting. It's nice to see what I'm getting before I snap the photo. A lot of my photos are pretty much grab and go, not a lot of thinking involved in exposure...probably why I like it more. I tried it with all of my lenses except night shots with my Rokinon 14 and 24. That will come later this month. Ive used the 16-35mm F4, 17-40mm, 24-105mm, 40mm pancake, 8mm fisheye (in cropped mode), 50mm 1.4 (old lens), 85 1.8, 100mm macro (old lens) 70-200 f4IS V1, 300mm f4 IS, 100-400mm V2, along with 1.4tc V2 and 2.0tc V2 with great results. I have been shooting a lot lately with the 2.0tc on the 100-400 and while focus is slowed a little, it still works really well at f11. This camera is also by far the most comfortable camera I have held. Only camera series I haven't held is a 1D, so take that for what you will.
There are a couple things that I have found irritating and probably just because I haven't read the manual or really a ton of time to shoot with the camera. When I start the camera, it immediately attempts to focus and it hunts for a long time. I have had to manually focus to get it close and it snaps on quickly, then holds pretty well. Probably user error, but still annoying until I figure it out. It starts the IS on all lenses that have it and will eat batteries like crazy due to this. It will run until you don't touch the camera for about 30 seconds. I am sure there is a way to shut that off, but I haven't gotten that far yet. When trying to photo moving subjects in servo, there is a brief delay in the EVF, not a blackout, but you loose your action. I just read that someone found how to shut this off, but I haven't had a chance to try it yet. I'll report back when I do. It doesn't work with an IR remote. I have used an IR remote for 5 years on all of my other cameras. Annoying that this doesn't support that. Lastly, you can't view any files outside of canon or adobe software on a Windows computer. I have an older windows 10 that I use Deep Sky Stacker on. I shot some photos of Orion to test out how it would stack and handle DSO, but DSS doesn't support CR3s yet. If anyone has any other ideas, please let me know.
AF and Eye AF. I really like it. It took me a while to figure out the new AF system as I came from the simple 6D and primarily the middle point on the 80D due to using the 1.4TC on my 100-400 all the time. I followed kids playing basketball, jumping in a trampoline, the family shots and I'm estimating 90% keeper rate. Most of this was using the older 50mm 1.4 and 85mm 1.8. Keeper rates with Eye AF were better using the 70-200 and the 100-400. That is is crazy good light and almost pitch black of night time outside. Now the problem is more keepers to throw away as the files do take up more space. If they give the firmware upgrade to the R with animal AF, this might be my last camera for a long time. I haven't shot any weddings or family sessions with it yet but from the videos I have watch, it is right on par with what I am seeing. Chasing animals, it holds pretty much to what I was used to with other lenses. I have used most of the focus modes, but prefer to use the tracking AF mode for this. The EVF delay does hinder tracking of birds a little, but something to get use to. The touch and drag of points on the back screen is very convenient and easy to use.
I really like the focus peaking aspect added to this camera. I put magic lantern on my M a while back and loved this feature. Now that I can use this on the R with my Rokinon Lenses, it is the bee's knees. I am waiting for life to start in the spring here so I can do some macro with it.
IQ, I come from an 80D and 6D shooter. I had the 7D but retired it to macro shooting only. I'd rather use this camera any day over those. The noise is great. Grain is much better and I have used ISO 12,800 on a couple shots that cleaned up really nicely in post. I find pulling the shadows to a reasonable amount is better than the 6D for landscape shots. I haven't seen any banding in the stuff I use it for, so take that for what you will. I haven't used or taken photos with the 5dVI, but would assume it is basically the same.
I really haven't taken my 6D or 80D out of the bag more than maybe once since I got this camera. Just some initial impressions. I'll write something better once spring comes around and I have a chance to really give it a run barring any complications from Corona. I'll add some photos later.
Thanks Jayson. Sounds like you are really enjoying it. I have heard the IQ is pretty similar to the 5DIV, which is excellent (IMO). But between you and a few other people, it sounds like the AF, and eye-AF are really something.