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    Sorry folks but the usual VS. Canon EOS 1D Mark III VS 5D MKI VS Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II vs Canon EOS 1D Mark II N vs the like ?



    I want the one that will offer better image overall despite the crop/full frame issue. i consider the 5d very nice,but i want sadly,more. i want the build quality of the 1d series,but i dont want to downgrade image quality,if thats possible with these guys. i appreciate all of your help, plus i cant afford the newer models,hence these options.

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    Re: Sorry folks but the usual VS. Canon EOS 1D Mark III VS 5D MKI VS Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II vs ?



    in my own answer i think ill go with the 1ds mkii or if possible mkiii and stay with full frame! if i did go towards the cropped it isnt to bad at 1.3, so at this point i might consider whichever is the lower alternative but offers the same differences,dual slot,faster af,more af points etc.

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    Re: Sorry folks but the usual VS. Canon EOS 1D Mark III VS 5D MKI VS Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II vs ?



    For what those two 1 series sell for used, you would almost have enough to buy a new 5D MarkII. To me that would make more sense.

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    hmm that is true, but i am hoping to stay low using my usual source of ebay lol! that sounds very tempting though,but my income will not allow that yet. technically i could sell my beloved 35mm 1.4 L to get the 5dmk2 but i cannot bring myself for such a loss! if i did go the crop way my lens would be about 45mm but i still would have the awesomeness it offers,plus the size as compared to longer lenses allows for easier access!







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    Re: Sorry folks but the usual VS. Canon EOS 1D Mark III VS 5D MKI VS Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II vs ?



    I just remembered that I was one of your Flickr contacts. I hope you don't mind me posting the link to your page. After all Flickr is for sharing []


    http://www.flickr.com/photos/55208635@N07/


    I think you take fine photos outdoors with what you currently have. And I think we did get off track from your original inquiry.


    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaCapitalist


    in my own answer i think ill go with the 1ds mkii or if possible mkiii and stay with full frame! if i did go towards the cropped it isnt to bad at 1.3, so at this point i might consider whichever is the lower alternative but offers the same differences,dual slot,faster af,more af points etc.



    Whether to upgrade to a 1Ds mkII or III from a 5D, I wouldn't think the benefit you are looking for would outweigh the cost of the tool.


    Having multiple memory card slots can be beneficial. However, trying to utilized your current hundred dollar investment in multiple SD cards really wouldn't merit spending thousands more to use it.


    More AF points - I used to have the 300D (very first rebel dslr from 2003), with only 7 points. I had to focus and compose sometimes because my point of interest was in the corners. But in my opinion having more AF points only really shines when you are tracking a fast moving subject using AI Servo. I have the 7D now and I'm helped a lot by having more AF points for Soccer game assignments. But other than that, I have never had trouble with having less AF points.


    Faster AF - Like I said, you take fine photos outdoors. Indoors, it seems you are using slower shutter speed to compensate for the lack of light. But that can easily be remedied by buying an external flash ($500 investment tops). Having a faster AF would be meaningless without proper lighting. You can have perfect focus, but by the time you have proper exposure your subject would have moved too much for a sharp image.


    All the cameras are great choices, and if you want the biggest and the best no one will argue against it. But since you mentioned that you are tight on budget, what I'm trying to say is that you already have an excellent gear. With more experience and tweaks from additional accessories (external flash). You'll realize you can take photos that will parallel images taken with the big boys []

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    Re: Sorry folks but the usual VS. Canon EOS 1D Mark III VS 5D MKI VS Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II vs ?



    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaCapitalist


    just for clarity, if that is possible from me, the above shots were hand held fully manual @ 1.4 at night in my home. they were posted as a humorous attempt on my part. ill post the specs when i can. thanks all.
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    Right back at ya!!! [6]








    I&acute;m about to send these to Canonrumors and say that I&acute;ve laid hands on the new 2D. I&acute;m sure they will go nuts about it!! Between you and me, it&acute;s actually just a 5D in a mirror, but shhhhh [:#]


    Kidding aside these photos are taken with the same settings as yours, apart from the ISO. As you can see, my photos aren&acute;t sharp either...and I havepretty steady hands. Also the f1.4 is already very shallow and focusing onto a mirror seems to be an even bigger problem for the camera so it&acute;s out of focus as well.


    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaCapitalist
    also i think my 5D is not working up to par,can you tell if it is just by looking at my shots?

    That&acute;s a hard question. Now that I have also seen some outdoor shots from you (thanks Takahiro [A]) I know that your camera and lens are capable of delivering. And judging on those indoor photos with settings that influence the result in so many ways is simple not doable. So before we can answer that question, we need somewhat more controlled shots. (Tri-pod etc...)


    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaCapitalist
    i should probably practice more instead of buy,sell,sell,buy! seriously though how hard is it to shot fantastic photos like the ones you,and others on these forums post! i don't use any image enhancements simply because i don't have any,and i haven't learned how!

    Yes you should. I'm convinced that you should be able to take great shots with the equipment you have right now(given that your camera is alright). Don't waste your money on buying and selling.


    As others also mentioned, you might like the photos that I post, but you have to keep in mind that I only show photos that I'm really convinced off. Aka my "best". That could mean that you're only seeing 1/100 photos that I make [A] I bet that you'd be shocked on how terrible the worst shot of a famous photographer could be. I'm convinced it's just as bad as ours [] The trick is to hide your weaknesses and expose your strengths. It's good to know your weaknesses to work on them, it's not a smart thing to expose all your weaknesses though. If you ever need to apply for a job, I hope you don't show only your weak points [A]


    Anyway don't be intimidated too much by all the beautiful photos here. You could do the same with some practise.


    About the post-processing: you got DPP with your camera? It's actually very capable of doing the things you need. I'm using Lightroom 99% of the time and I could actually do the same with DPP if I wanted.


    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaCapitalist
    so far i have purchased the gray card so now im off to discover how to use it!

    It will improve your colors, but it will not improve the technical aspects like sharpnessof your photos.


    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaCapitalist
    i shot manual mode almost always,so this may be the reason why my shots are uhh,not so sharp,and even blah at most times

    There's a good point. If you use MF, and you use the original viewfinder glass you cannot make an accurate MF. So there might be some of your out of focus problems. When I do MF on f1.4 for example, the image is always focused bad. If I remember correctly, somebody ones said here that you can judge focus on the eye with the normal focusing glass from f2.8 and shallower. If you go wider than that, you cannot get accurate MF.


    Good luck improving. Don't stress too much if it doesn't work out right away. I have had weeks where I didn't like any of the photos I took [A]


    Plus: go outside and play with apertures from f2.8 and shallower and see if sharpness improves. Watch your shutter speed though! Try using AF, I'm interested to see if your camera is bad, or it is because of other factors. And yes, sometimes soft photos/imperfect technical photos can be good, but there has to be a really creative detail in a shot to make it great. 9/10 times a sharp photo is the most appealing.


    I know you can! Good luck []

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    Re: Sorry folks but the usual VS. Canon EOS 1D Mark III VS 5D MKI VS Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II vs ?



    @Posted by Jan Paalman on Nov 23, 2010 1:41 PM Dude you touched me! ill read your post next,but man thats great!

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    Re: Sorry folks but the usual VS. Canon EOS 1D Mark III VS 5D MKI VS Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II vs ?



    Right back at ya!!! Devil Dude,id that second pose mocking me,and my moody ways?"scratches head"!

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    Re: Sorry folks but the usual VS. Canon EOS 1D Mark III VS 5D MKI VS Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II vs ?



    as far as going outside to play, i am extremely limited to indoors sadly, i cant tell you why,or "they"will make me no longer...

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    Re: Sorry folks but the usual VS. Canon EOS 1D Mark III VS 5D MKI VS Canon EOS 1Ds Mark II vs Canon EOS 1D Mark II N vs the like ?



    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaCapitalist
    i want the build quality of the 1d series,but i dont want to downgrade image quality

    I hardly doubt you will have a noticeable upgrade in image-quality when buying another body. The build-quality issue that you mention also doesn't make alot of sense to me. Your 5D has a very nice build-quality, although it isn't weathersealed nor it has the sensor anti-dust system of the newer camera's.But your lens isn't weathersealed either to take advantage of a better build-quality.


    As much as I like to have a 1 series body.(I tried the 1D4 at the store) I really doubt it would make my images any better. Better yet, last saturday I was photographing an artistic skating event and my girlfriend went along. I used my 5D2 and she used her XSi. Albeit my images looked smoother on ISO1600 than hers on ISO800, we were both capable on shooting the same kind of shots. And honestly you could only tell the difference when viewing at 100%.


    Anyway what I'm trying to say: your camera and lens should be very capable of delivering the most beautiful images. A different camera could make a difference, but it would only be very small (and at a high cost: not justifiable). If there's something you don't like at the results that you get. Please tell uswhat it is and show us what's the problem. Perhaps something in your settings isn't right? What do you think of the two photos you posted here? Both are very different, so I guess you uploaded them with a purpose?


    Point 2: I believe you have searched a long time to find a great lens with the focal length that you have now. The 35mm. If you would go to a 1D 1.3x body, you might as well start thinking about a lens-change....definitely not worth all the trouble []


    I say: get out and start shooting and learn to use the sources that you have. If I never had the money to buy a 5D2, I would probably still be very happy with my first camera, the 450D/XSi []

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