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    24-70mm CA issue



    Hi all,


    A month ago I got my first L lens and I'm sad to say I'm a bit disapointed. I've had the 28-135mm kit lens on my 50D and was looking for some sharper images. After a long decision process between the 24-70 and 24-105 I choose the 24-70 with in the back of my mind three weddings I'm going for three friends this summer. I was quite pleased with the shallow DoF, bright viewfinder, and quick/accurate focusing, but I found that the 24-70 suffers from both red and green CA much more so than my 28-135. Anyone else with this experience? I understood that CA was well controlled with this lens so I expected the 24-70 to do much better! In particular, focussing on my B/W cat's whiskers shows the CA most severely. I'm debating exchanging the lens for another copy. Any thoughts?

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    Re: 24-70mm CA issue



    I haven't seen it to any real degree with my EF24-70 F/2.8L. Do some testing off the tripod (taking out the variables of lighting, distance, focus, subject, etc) with both lenses back-to-back and post the results, it is always possible you have a bad copy, but I haven't heard many complaints about that particular lens.

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    Re: 24-70mm CA issue



    Thanks for your response Dallasphotog. Below, I've posted some samples with descriptions. All photos were taken with a 1/250 shutter speed, ISO 100, WB "Flash", sharpness=1, contrast/saturation/color tone=0, Evaluative metering, on a tripod in live view mode with 2 second timer and the 580EXII (mounted on camera, directly aimed) at different intensities to compensate for varying apertures.


    [img]/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00.00.00.29.23/I-24_2D00_70-f5-70m-8ft-crop.JPG[/img]





    [img]/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00.00.00.29.23/I-28_2D00_135-f5-70mm-8ft-crop.JPG[/img]


    Top: 24-70mm, f/5 at 70m, subject distance 8ft, 100% crop


    Bottom: 28-135mm, f/5 at 70m, subject distance 8ft, 100% crop





    [img]/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00.00.00.29.23/II-24_2D00_70-f3.5-28mm-8ft-crop.JPG[/img]


    [img]/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00.00.00.29.23/II-28_2D00_135-f3.5-28mm-8ft-crop.JPG[/img]


    Top: 24-70mm, f/3.5 at 28m, subject distance 8ft, 100% crop


    Bottom: 28-135mm, f/3.5 at 28m, subject distance 8ft, 100% crop





    [img]/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00.00.00.29.23/III-24_2D00_70-f5-70mm-1ft-crop.JPG[/img]


    [img]/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00.00.00.29.23/III-28_2D00_135-f5-70mm-1ft-crop.JPG[/img]


    Top: 24-70mm, f/5 at 70m, subject distance 1ft, 100% crop


    Bottom: 28-135mm, f/5 at 70m, subject distance 1ft, 100% crop





    [img]/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00.00.00.29.23/IV-24_2D00_70-f3.5-28mm-1ft-crop.JPG[/img]


    [img]/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00.00.00.29.23/IV-28_2D00_135-f3.5-28mm-1ft-crop.JPG[/img]


    Top: 24-70mm, f/3.5 at 28m, subject distance 1ft, 100% crop


    Bottom: 28-135mm, f/3.5 at 28m, subject distance 1ft, 100% crop





    I hope this gives you an idea of what I'm seeing. Even worse are the results at f/2.8 but obviously I couldn't compare those with my kit lens which starts at f/3.5. Just to illustrate, here is a sample at f/2.8:





    [img]/cfs-file.ashx/__key/CommunityServer.Components.UserFiles/00.00.00.29.23/24_2D00_70-CA-problem.JPG[/img]


    I would like to believe I'm doing something wrong so I won't have to return the lens, but I'm not sure what else to try!

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    Re: 24-70mm CA issue



    Recently a friend of mine bougth and return it on the next day ... replace it with new lens adn THEY RECOMMEND TO CALIBRATE THE LENS.... so went to CANON Center got calibrated according to with camera bnody this lens will be use.... sofar tried it out NO ISSUES raised... GOOD LUCK

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    Re: 24-70mm CA issue



    Interesting test pictures. I'll try to duplicate with the same basic set-up and see what I get.

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    Re: 24-70mm CA issue



    Thanks, I'm interested to see your results! I don't think it has to do with bad calibration as CA is more of a lens flaw, but if all else fails I suppose that's another option!

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    Re: 24-70mm CA issue



    Well, I returned the lens to B&H, received a new copy (compared the serials), and sure enough, still chromatic aberration. Called Canon support to see if they had any recommendations other then sending it in for service or returning it to B&H again, but to avail. The guy owned the 24-70 himself and assured me that there should be absolutely no chromatic aberration. It is encouraging to know that there exist good copies as well, I just wish I had one myself!


    I'll send it back to B&H again tomorrow. Anyone else who has issue with this lens?

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    Re: 24-70mm CA issue



    I know that we all want to regard the 24-70 as unreservedly awesome, but I was wondering if I could get some feedback.


    I'm pending answers from Canon and Adorama, but given the copy I have, my impression would be impressed at sharpness, but pretty depressed with CA.


    Here's a 100% crop on a 5D (not the highest pixel density)





    For the sake of illustration, here's the same image with the color saturation cranked up...





    Do other owners not have this problem? Think it's a bad copy, or am I just too picky?

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    Re: 24-70mm CA issue



    Quote Originally Posted by Colin
    For the sake of illustration, here's the same image with the color saturation cranked up...

    Wow, really stripped that screw! Better get that fixed [H]

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    Re: 24-70mm CA issue



    Yeah... If I ever need to remove that screw, it'll probably require a drill..


    I can't complain about the detail...


    I wonder if it's one of those design choices.. Something about allowing more chromatic aberration as you move out of focus lets you really nail what's in focus, or does something for the bokeh, or whatever....


    Stupid real world. If the CA I'm seeing is just inherent to the lens, that doesn't make it a deal breaker. It's so fantastic in other ways. But, if i can NOT have the CA that I'm noticing, that'd be MUCH better. However, if it's inherent, it's one more reason to keep the 24-105 around.

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