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    Bridal Portrait



    5D, Canon EF 24-105mm f/4 L IS, ISO 100, 1/160, f6.3, 58mm, 580EXII in manual.
    Flash used as fill light measured with Sekonic L-358 FLASH METER.
    Taken at 12:20PM in bright sun light, P.S.Elements......what do you think? C&C more than welcome.


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    I think the composition is a mess to be honest and the postprocessing to black&white with a touch or color is very (and I mean very very) dated and it will look even more dated a few years down the line. It cheapens the image if you ask me. It also draws my attention to the bouquet, where it should be drawn to the woman. It's a postprocessing 'trick' that doesn't add anything to the feel, emotion or content of the image.


    ps: this, in no way, is meant in an offensive way.

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    Re: Bridal Portrait



    Quote Originally Posted by Madison


    I think the composition is a mess to be honest and the postprocessing to black&white with a touch or color is very (and I mean very very) dated and it will look even more dated a few years down the line. It cheapens the image if you ask me. It also draws my attention to the bouquet, where it should be drawn to the woman. It's a postprocessing 'trick' that doesn't add anything to the feel, emotion or content of the image.


    ps: this, in no way, is meant in an offensive way.
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    Madison,


    If you did not want to be "offensive" then think how you should have worded your comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob



    If you did not want to be "offensive" then think how you should have worded your comments.





    English is not my native language so I have trouble sometimes.


    I do not think words like 'mess' or 'dated' or 'cheapens the image' are that offensive to be honest. They may not be nice to hear but it is an honest opinion of somebody. A matter of taste, if you will. I stand by my words and have no other ways of expressing this critique. Sorry. If you submit images in this forum you can expect the best, and the worst. I have been very positive about some work, and sometimes, like now, I have to be honest and say the negative as well.


    I will leave it at this.

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    Re: Bridal Portrait



    The words seemed a little hash but I posted it for the feedback. I am a big guy and can take it. I would like to hear more comments.


    Bob, what do you think?


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    Re: Bridal Portrait

    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"]<span style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: black;"]<span style="font-size: small;"]Clemmb<o></o>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"]<span style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: black;"]<span style="font-size: small;"]First, let&rsquo;s talk about the objective of your photo, are the flowers the object or is the bride?<o></o>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"]<span style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: black;"]<span style="font-size: small;"]If the flowers are then I would make this area larger, if not, then you need to separate the bride from the background &ndash; she needs to &ldquo;pop out&rdquo;.<o></o>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"]<span style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: black;"]<span style="font-size: small;"]A way to do this (and there many), but separate the bride from the background via layers, for example, then make the background blurred or &ldquo;washed it out&rdquo;, or change the photo to a colored photo.<o></o>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"]<span style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: black;"]<span style="font-size: small;"]This would help the bride to stand out more. Photoshop has these tools or you can use a &ldquo;plug-in&rdquo; to do a first class job.<o></o>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"]<span style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: black;"]<span style="font-size: small;"]As the photo stands currently, the bride bends into the background.<o></o>
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    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"]<span style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: black;"]<span style="font-size: small;"]Your thoughts?<o></o>
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    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"]<span style="font-family: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; color: black;"]<span style="font-size: small;"]Bob<span style="font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif'; color: black;"]<o></o>

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    Re: Bridal Portrait



    I like the composition. Great use of fill flash, the exposure looks spot on. You can't tell that there's a harsh-noon sun. Also, the black &amp; white really works for me...especially with the background. I actually like the black &amp; white with a splash of color look as long as it's done in moderation. I would definitely provide both the color versions and plain black &amp; white to the client so that they can decide what they like best.


    For what it's worth, my wife (not a photographer) loved it

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    Re: Bridal Portrait



    My first thought it that I would have moved her to the left a bit, so that her head was over the middle of the three doorways. Primary reason being color balance. The tone of her skin blends in a bit too much with the background. Or maybe if her veil had been spread out a bit to the right to provide some contrast.


    Also, I probably would have gone with red roses, but that might have been a cusotmer preferance (and I suspect accurate to what she was really holding).



    Those who things said I like it overall and, personally, I think using black and white may have worked better due to her skin tone (do you have a color version?).

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    Madison I see what you are saying now but hey dont critique any of my work you may make me sell my stuff and give it up...... I am just kidding...

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    Re: Bridal Portrait



    Oh, quick comment about Madison...


    The internet is a big place and us native english speakers have a tendancy to think everyone else speaks it fluently and understand the nuances of the language. We're being arrogant/ignorant.


    People need to stop and consider the possibility that they are communicating with someone from the other side of the world. I 'speak' (i.e. internet communication) to people from other countries regluarly and, my little soap box post here aside, I make the mistake sometimes too, even with people from the UK. While they are obviously english speakers, even the differences in our languages can cause offence.


    It'd be nice if, in forums, people posted their location and native language tho. Would help stop the misunderstandings.

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