Looking to upgrade my body, i currently have a Rebel XTi, mostly want to upgrade for a faster frame rate, 3fps is too slow. Looking at 30D or possibly 40D, Even a used 40D is still out of my price range at this point, was curious if anybody found the 6.5 fps to be that much of an advantage over the 5 fps of the 30D. I like shooting any sports but spend most of my time at baseball games due to cheaper tix. thanks in advance
What are you missing that 3fps isn't enough? I haven't shot baseball, but I'd think that timing would be just about everything and fps isn't the solution to the problem. Granted, a 30D would shorten your shutter lag from 100ms to 65ms, and 40D would bring it to 59ms.
I used to be a "10fps and motor my way to great shots", but for a lot of what I'd shoot I'd find that the great shot came in between shots 1 & 2 of a sequence.
See http://www.scottkelby.com/blog/2009/archives/2829 for a great story about a photographer's "game" where the first frame you shot counts - imagine if we could temporarily prohibit picture erasing on our digital cameras and still compete like the old days.
We're a Canon/Profoto family: five cameras, sixteen lenses, fifteen Profoto lights, too many modifiers.
Nice article about First Frame. I actually tried to shoot the "guns blazing" way for a while with my first camera, which was a 5D. It has maybe 3-3.5 fps, so "blazing" is relative. I only had it for a short time, and already realized that it was going to have to be about timing, that I couldn't lean on the camera tomake the shot for me. It seems like all too often the shot I knew I wanted and could see in my mind's eye was in between the frames I captured.
Even though it is capable of 6.5 fps, or basically double the speed of the 5D, many times now I find myself turning the High Speed mode of my 40D off, and just shooting a frame at a time. I think it is making me better.
Of course, I am still saving my pennies for the 1D Mark IV when it comes out. You never know when you might need 10+ fps! []
Originally Posted by HiFiGuy1
Shoot flash sometime, and the guns-a-blazing mode goes away quickly.Even if your flash is shooting at a low power, you probably can't feed batteries into it often enough to keep up. Studio work has really forced me to learn timing, but a few recent event gigs (with a few key sections shot with fill flash) reinforced the lesson. And that's with 10fps at my disposal! On one gig, I drained a 580EX II with external battery pack (and drained a remote 580EX II so hard it just went to sleep).
Lately, about the only time I enable high-speed drive is for handheld HDR photography - seven shots bracketed in under a second, while handheld (let's say, on top of a ladder where I have no hope for a tripod or monopod), minimizes the difference between shots (and creates a neat motion look in some cases).
We're a Canon/Profoto family: five cameras, sixteen lenses, fifteen Profoto lights, too many modifiers.
hahah I enjoyed the 'first frame' article too.
Here is a link to a tutorial on shooting baseball. Really the only part that applies to this conversation is under the "Precision Timing" heading, but the article is full of good tips.
I find that the burst rate of the 40D isa cool feature when shooting candid photos of someone talking before an audience. Some people have really animated faces.The face of people who project lots of personality can change so fast--you don'tsee it in real time, but the camera does. You end up with a lot of throw-aways due togoofy grimances,eye blinks, etc. I've experienced that problem photographing a certain California politician (no, I'm not going to post an image showing this guymaking a funny face). It's nice tohave a pile of exposures in order to pick the real winners.Captured with a Canon 40D in burst mode, 24-105L.
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The First Frame article is interesting, but don't miss the point. It's all about the vanity (and lazyness?)of certain photog pros. It'snot about getting the best shot possible. I've heard pros make negative comments about"amatuers" who take lots of shots from lots of angles.If you see One-Shot as just a game, fine. If you're going to beat your chest because you thinkyou can get the job done in one frame,please get over yourself! If you really care about the craft,put your egoto restand take tons of photos. Cameras with high burst rates are great for sports photography. Fill up your memory cards. Then,scan them for the best shot(s). It's work, but that's the way it's done.
When asking this question i realize having a higher frame rate wont improve my creativeness or my ability to use the camera but i need an upgrade anyways. i would like a higher frame to maybe try and get some ball to bat contact shots, nearly impossible with 3 fps, also had a few other situations it seemed like i missed shots between frames. what i really want to know is about people who have used the 30D or 40D for sports and what they thought, thanks for the comments so far
You'd better get the 40D. That'll really help.
We're a Canon/Profoto family: five cameras, sixteen lenses, fifteen Profoto lights, too many modifiers.
mattsartin;
My 40D is seldom off the AI Servo and High speed settings....most of my time photographing is spent trying to capture birds in take off/landing situations as well as in flight.
If the situation arises for a 1 frame, static shot of a bird.....my practice of rolling my shutter finger usually allows me that 1 frame shot. I've not yet perfected this technique....but is a quick 2 or 3 shot burst of a static subject a bad thing?
I seldom maximize the 6.5 fps capability of the 40D; I watch the birds for movement indicators and try to anticipate that moment.
I know this isn't a sporting event, but this type of photography utilizes shooting techniques and knowledge of your subject (to me the most important components) that transfers to capturing good action (e.g. bat striking the ball) shots.
Then when I view the pics, I select what I consider the photos w/the best clarity/sharpness, then crop the photo to further focus upon the action I was trying to capture. Obviously, I tweak other factors (i.e. exposure, colors, etc.) that may have changed during my panning.
Rarely do I find myself selecting the first frame of the shooting sequence.
When I can afford to move up to a FF body, it will be the 1D Mark lll (or 1D Mark ll N), because it's 10 fps ability separates it from the rest of the FFs.
Oh yeah, I do end up w/quite a few (many hundreds) shots during these sessions....so make sure you have plenty of memory available. [
Regards
Bill
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