Bryan, Why do you do this to me?

[bob williams]

"B&H has the Canon EOS 1D Mark IV in stock. Add the 1D IV to your cart now and check out at 8:15 PM EDT tonight when B&H reopens for orders." Why, why, why? Recently I have been content with my kit--I do have lots of good stuff---But deep down inside, I really, really want the 1DIV, but...Like I said, I have been content knowing thata new1DIV has beenOut of stock or difficult to get ---Now just about the time a I am fairly happy, Bryan goes and shows us this. And for only $4999 it too can be mine After the 500mm and the 50 f1.2 this year, I think it is best to keep the wallet closed and not even hint to the wife that I am considering the 1DIV-She would probably make me sleep in my doghouse blind that is currently set up in the back yard. (Hmmm, wonder what kind of deal I could get on a second mortgage?). I have no real purpose for this post other than to vent to someone who might understand---Please forgive me.


Seriously, Bryan noted some good deals on the Canon refurb site--and he is correct, several really good deals on lenses. So if your in the market, check out Canons refurb site.


Bob

[Daniel Browning]

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[neuroanatomist]

You just had to go and bring that up, didn't you, Bob... I keep talking myself out of the 1DIV. I'm trying to hold out for a forthcoming difficult decision - 500L or 1DsIV (when it comes). I'm sure you recall that wallet of mine...well, it's pretty fat, not quite to 500L thickness yet (and 4 bills down from the PowerShot S100 that I just pre-ordered), but there's just enough in there to cover a 1DIV.


RESIST. DO NOT CLICK <span style="color: #0000ff;"]BUY. Or so I keep telling myself...


Good luck!

[JJphoto]

yhea, i have been craving for the 1DIV for long time.not spending too much on the body has been my bottom line. i couldn

[Chris White]

I keep talking myself out of the 1DIV.

Keep Talking to yourself John, the 1D IV is the only thing I have that you don't, you are a hard man to keep up with. The 1Ds IV is going to be beyond my wallet for some time, although I do covet one.

DO NOT CLICK <span style="color: #0000ff;"]BUY. Or so I keep telling myself...

i should have got it when i had chance for 4 grand.

Seriously, John and JJ, if you can do it go for it. I must have missed the 4 grand sale, but I was debating last November (after wanting one since the announcement) if I could justify the price and I took the plunge. I am glad I did. the 1D IV is awesome! The shots I got during this summer's soccer season justified my purchase. I cannot compare it to the 7D as I have never shot a frame with one. Maybe you guys will do the comparison. I find John's tests very insightful.

the only thing i can do now is keep asking myself
take better pictures with the 7D/500mm untill good enough that worth the
upgrade

I will not say you can take better pictures with it, there are many TDP members taking outstanding images with Rebel series bodies. That is the carpenter vs. the hammer argument. What you will get is different capabilities, the first one being the speed with which you can shoot fast moving sports -- my personal main concern. I also used my 1D IV instead of my 5D II for my daughter's dance recital this year because it focuses better/faster in low light. As far as image quality, that is more in your hands. The 7D yields great results by all accounts I have seen. I recently put an album together of @400 images from our summer and I used my 50D, 5D II and 1D IV with various glass for all those images. No one looking at this album even considered asking if I used different bodies, the images were all equally good.


I will add that in order to get the high speed bursts you need the fast CF cards. I use the SanDisk ExtremePro and Lexar Professional 600x 90MB/s cards and I do not have any issues. I have used the 400x 60MB/s versions I have on occasion, but I will hit the buffer with them. If I am shooting sports I make sure I have the fast cards in.


I was thinking this summer of starting a discussion on "If you could only Have One body, Which One?" I may still do that this fall, but for now for me the short answer is my 1D IV. If you go for it, you will not regret it.


Chris


EDITED: corrected incorrect memory card speed rating

[HDNitehawk]

I will not say you can take better pictures with it, there are many TDP members taking outstanding images with Rebel series bodies. That is the carpenter vs. the hammer argument.

I will take the hammer over the carpenter point of view on this one. The 1D IV is going to improve the pictures of a person with limited skills. WHY? The AF system of the 1D IV is superior to the 7D and 5D II, so the keeper rate of the person with limited skills is going to increase. Second the pics out of the 1D IV require less work in post processing than a 7D's, so a person with limited PP skills will have pics which require less work.


At a certain time of my life I claimed "carpenter" as my profession. As a carpenter you want the best tools despite your skill level, Better tools make it easier to build with. The same goes for camera equipment, better tools make it easier. It won't make you a master carpenter though.


The 1D IV is a worthy upgrade. Is it worth $3500 more than the 7D though? I think everyone's answer would vary depending on their situation. My answer was yes, but more peoples answer would be no.

[bob williams]

The 1D IV is a worthy upgrade. Is it worth $3500 more than the 7D though? I think everyone's answer would vary depending on their situation. My answer was yes, but more peoples answer would be no.

I agree. Most of us here do not make a full time living with our cameras, so for most of us, this isn't a business decision, it's a "desire" decision. We desire the camera, we desire a chance to improve our keeper rate and we desire to have the best (depending on your genre) and....there is a little bit of "Hey Guys---Lookie what I got in the mail today" so, really it's just a matter of finances (unless your wealthy)---Is this camera worth what you will have to sacrifice in the future---for many of us, this answer is yes, for others--no----But ultimately, and for the purposes of many, the 1DIV is just an awesome piece of equipment. Second to only one otherSLR and that would be this:


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[JJphoto]

The 1D IV is a worthy upgrade. Is it worth $3500 more than the 7D though? I think everyone's answer would vary depending on their situation. My answer was yes, but more peoples answer would be no.

I agree too. and my answer is probably no. Oh, isn't that DIGIC5 coming? that sounds a better excuse for getting a 1DV?

[neuroanatomist]

the 1D IV is awesome!

No doubt. I know the AF would be better than the 7D and 5DII, and the IQ is excellent.

You may not be looking at this the right way John....


The 1D IV will replace your 7D


The 1Ds IV will replace your 5D II

That's pretty much how I've been looking at it - but both a 1D IV and a 1Ds IV are a budgetary impossibility at this point, even considering sale of the 5DII, 7D, and 17-55mm. The problem I face with switching out the 7D for the 1DIV is that my 7D is used primarily with the 100-400mm, and I'm not quite willing to give up the 640mm equivalent for 520mm equivalent. If I already had a 500/4, it would be a different story. Of my shots with the 7D (since getting the 5DII),90% have been with the 100-400mm, and 80% of those have been at 400mm. So, that suggests that I need the length, and the 7D + 500/4 would be a good choice.


The 1Ds IV would definitely replace my 5DII. Honestly, I'm leaning toward the 1DsIV over the 500/4. Looking at my shots since getting the 5DII, ~90% of them have been with the 5DII, 10% with the 7D. So, overall, I'd probably derive the most benefit from a 1Ds IV. But the 500/4 would be a lot of fun...

[HDNitehawk]

So, overall, I'd probably derive the most benefit from a 1Ds IV. But the 500/4 would be a lot of fun...

Like always John, you analyzed your possible decision very well:


Improve your Kit - vs-Lots of Fun


Here is somthing to keep in mind to, with the "Lots of Fun"option. Wimberly Head, New Gitzo 5541LSTripod Legs,Wimberlybrackets to hold your flash above the lens, Lens Coat, Dedicated Backpack for the 500mm, Canon's CP, Gitzo Monopod, Wimberly Plate, Quick Release for Mono-pod, Better Beamer and....I am sure I am forgetting something.


Personally I like the "Lot of Fun" option. But lets be honest,isn't it really "which one do I buy first?"