Thanks for the comments, I do have a flash to work with but I don't have any way of firing it right now except by also using the on board flash and I wasn't really in the mood to mess with it, I suppose I will int he future though The mirror is a great idea, one I hadn't thought of, so is the cardboard reflector. Sean I'm intentionally putting off reading the article you posted on strobism because I'm attempting to build a lens collection right now and I don't want to be tempted to spend all the extra cash on lighting, but that day is coming!