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    Re: Wildlife & some sports photography - long term lens decisions



    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Glass


    True photographers don't care about resolution![img]/emoticons/emotion-2.gif[/img]


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    WOW!

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    Re: Wildlife & some sports photography - long term lens decisions



    Quote Originally Posted by Keith B


    WOW!



    Hmm I truly believed I saw more behind the "WOW!" [A]


    I'm now exited about how John is going to talk himself out of this [] I guess all 5D2 and 7D owners are just a bunch of noobies looking for max megapixels to him [:P] hihi funny[]

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    Re: Wildlife & some sports photography - long term lens decisions



    Quote Originally Posted by Sheiky


    Quote Originally Posted by Keith B


    WOW!



    Hmm I truly believed I saw more behind the "WOW!" [img]/emoticons/emotion-13.gif[/img]




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    Yeah I at first I was pretty offended by the comment but then I took in account of the smiley face that punctuated the comment so I took back the rest of my comment.


    By no means am I the greatest nor the truest of true photographer, but I do my share of commercial work and more than once I have seen MP requirements from clients. Rarely are they as low as 10MP these days. Another reason I retired my 40D.
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    Re: Wildlife & some sports photography - long term lens decisions



    Quote Originally Posted by Sheiky


    Quote Originally Posted by Keith B


    WOW!
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    Hmm I truly believed I saw more behind the "WOW!" [img]/emoticons/emotion-13.gif[/img]


    I'm now exited about how John is going to talk himself out of this [img]/emoticons/emotion-5.gif[/img] I guess all 5D2 and 7D owners are just a bunch of noobies looking for max megapixels to him [img]/emoticons/emotion-4.gif[/img] hihi funny[img]/emoticons/emotion-2.gif[/img]
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    Ken Rockwell is a noob, too. In his review of the 5DII, he said "no one needs 21mp" or some such. I think he was blowing out a different nostril when he reviewed the D3x, though.


    (Sorry for dragging him into this...)















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    Re: Wildlife & some sports photography - long term lens decisions



    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Ruyle
    (Sorry for dragging him into this...)

    Yea you should be punished for bringing his name up here [:P]


    And yeah Keith I noticed that you were pretty serious about it, that's also what I liked. I just wanted to see how John Fast Glass was going to defend himself here for such words []



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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith B
    By no means am I the greatest nor the truest of true photographer, but I do my share of commercial work and more than once I have seen MP requirements from clients. Rarely are they as low as 10MP these days. Another reason I retired my 40D.

    I don't know what your idea of a true photographer is and I guess it's a personal thing, but in my mind (and I don't earn money with taking photos) I AM a true photographer. At least for my standards [8-|]


    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Ruyle
    In his review of the 5DII, he said "no one needs 21mp" or some such

    Need is a big word, but it comes in handy quite often to be honest [A]but most of the time for spontaneous, sports and non-planned shots. When you've got the time to make a good composition etc and you don't need to crop afterwards, 21MP could be a bit overkill I guess. I never bothered about it [A] And it sure comes in handy when you're printing big, I love it!
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    Re: Wildlife & some sports photography - long term lens decisions



    Quote Originally Posted by Sheiky


    And yeah Keith I noticed that you were pretty serious about it, that's also what I liked. I just wanted to see how John Fast Glass was going to defend himself here for such words [img]/emoticons/emotion-5.gif[/img]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith B
    By no means am I the greatest nor the truest of true photographer, but I do my share of commercial work and more than once I have seen MP requirements from clients. Rarely are they as low as 10MP these days. Another reason I retired my 40D.

    I don't know what your idea of a true photographer is and I guess it's a personal thing, but in my mind (and I don't earn money with taking photos) I AM a true photographer. At least for my standards [img]/emoticons/emotion-15.gif[/img]

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    I should have put quotes around truest of true. I don't need to justify myself to anyone. Obviously I feel I'm "true" by my and my client's standards, but evidentially not by Fast Glass', if in fact he was serious.








    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Ruyle


    Ken Rockwell is a noob, too. In his review of the 5DII, he said "no one needs 21mp" or some such. I think he was blowing out a different nostril when he reviewed the D3x, though.


    (Sorry for dragging him into this...)



    I have friend that shoots with a 5D mkI and a book publisher refused him images because they weren't large enough. If the images couldn't span a 2 page spread at 300dpi they refused them.


    It made him look pretty bad, the client was a well respected artist in the community and my friend photographed her whole gallery solely to publish them in the book and then the publisher refused them.


    At least his camera is 5-6 years old, I feel bad for folks buying brand new Nikon d3 and d700s.



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    Re: Wildlife & some sports photography - long term lens decisions



    Quote Originally Posted by Keith B
    I have friend that shoots with a 5D mkI and a book publisher refused him images because they weren't large enough. If the images couldn't span a 2 page spread at 300dpi they refused them.

    Wow...


    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Rockwell
    <span style="font-family: Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;"]No one needs 21MP. All it does
    is slow everything and clog your hard drive.

    Once again, sorry for dragging him in to this






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    Re: Wildlife & some sports photography - long term lens decisions



    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Ruyle


    Quote Originally Posted by Keith B
    I have friend that shoots with a 5D mkI and a book publisher refused him images because they weren't large enough. If the images couldn't span a 2 page spread at 300dpi they refused them.

    Wow...


    I know! At the time the 5D mkII wasn't out yet and he asked me "What am I going to do? I can't afford $7000 for 1Ds III."


    He still hasn't upgraded. Most of his clients aren't that particular but if it comes up it can hurt. Especially if that artist tells a bunch of people that he is shooting with "subpar" equipment.

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    Well, we got off topic here. []


    But oh well, I'll add my closing comment to the latest posts here.


    I do believe that super-high-resolution is extremely important in some cases. But I feel that it's quite infrequent where 10mp is not enough. Especially in the case of wildlife and maybe sports photography, which was my original theme of this thread. [:P]


    Why do I think that for wildlife and sports photography? For wildlife, Moose Peterson uses a D3/s which is 12mp. You think someone is going to decline his images because it's only 12mp? And for sports... as you know, the 1D has been extremely popular. Some pro sports photographers still use the 1D Mark II.


    So anyways, I find that for my future purposes the 10mp of the 1D Mark III is probably plenty. However, by the time I get to the point of purchasing a new camera, the 1D Mark IV might be in the same price range that the Mark III is in right now. So we'll see... more megapixels can definitely help in some areas. []


    The end.


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    That was meant only to be a joke as the smilley indicated. Resoution is important. You would be verystuck upabout a 1 series to trully believe that.


    For me I do not print and it's is purely a hobby for me, and I had a XTi for a long time as was happy with the resolution. I would rather have reliability, weather sealing, a little faster frame rate and other extras the 1D III has.


    John.

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