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    Quote Originally Posted by mdubuque


    SHOOT AS LITTLE FOOTAGE as possible. Economize. Otherwise you will be drowning in post production manipulating enormous files. Economize in your shooting, be prepared and then just get the great shots.
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    I disagree. From a video point of view always shoot more than you plan on using because if you shoot the minimum you will always run out of usable footage. Its Murphy's Law. If you're really worried about how much space to save then use the editing feature of the 7D and trim the front and end of the clips till the "action" starts on the camera while you're still out on your shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdubuque


    SHOOT AS LITTLE FOOTAGE as possible. Economize. Otherwise you will be drowning in post production manipulating enormous files. Economize in your shooting, be prepared and then just get the great shots.
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    I disagree. From a video point of view always shoot more than you plan on using because if you shoot the minimum you will always run out of usable footage. Its Murphy's Law. If you're really worried about how much space to save then use the editing feature of the 7D and trim the front and end of the clips till the "action" starts on the camera while you're still out on your shoot.
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    In my case, I think Mike is correct---Since I won't have the opportunity for redo's I have to try and catch anything remotely usable. For my purposes, I expect to have 10-12 hours of video and probably 200 stills for a 30min-1 hour finished product.---thank goodness I am not using film.


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    Gentlemen, you are entitled to your opinion. But you may reconsider when you actually start rendering actual files. These files are absolutely massive.


    Conceptually, I think the situation is analogous to what Ansel Adams experienced being only able to carry 8-12 8 inch by 8 inch view camera exposure plates up into the Sierra. He learned to wait for the best shot.


    Talk to the people at Apple. As an example of the size of the video files involved, I would be very surprised if you found one who recommends doing it on a MacBook.


    Conceptually, think "Avatar". That's my view. I ask that before you form decisive opinions on this subject that you actually load and render some of thes massive video files yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdubuque


    As an example of the size of the video files involved, I would be very surprised if you found one who recommends doing it on a MacBook.
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    I'm not quite sure what you mean here. Are you saying that he should or shouldn't use a MacBook? Bob is using a PC whereas I'm using a MacBookPro. I've been editing for quite a long time and have never had problems with my MBP. I've even had to edit on a 128mb ram mac. Slow, but worked fantastically and never crashed.


    Plus, with a 12min max recording time and max of 4Gb of a file-size that's not a big deal. Storage is cheap. Most clips I deal with at work are about 50-60GB and they still run perfectly fine on my machine.





    Bob, glad to hear that NeoScene worked out for you.


    Video does get pricey. [] Like $100,000 for a news videographer package is on the cheap side of things so yeah... kind of a bit more than photography, and that's even before you get into the post-processing environment. Let us know how your upgrades are running!


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    Quote Originally Posted by mikehillman89


    Video does get pricey. Like $100,000 for a news videographer package is on the cheap side of things so yeah... kind of a bit more than photography, and that's even before you get into the post-processing environment. Let us know how your upgrades are running!


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    Well, So far so good. The only real problem I have had is a conflict between Adobe Premier Elements and Mcafee's Real Time Monitoring. ---It took me and the Adobe Tech a Couple of weeks to figure out, but now thingsseem to be running ok. In fact, I have played with a 30 minute video of my dogs and the system seems too be running well. The only frustrating thing is that ELements takes so slong to load, but after that, things seem to be running ok.---I willlet you know when I get some of those 50 and 60 minute files on board dropped into the project.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bob williams


    I willlet you know when I get some of those 50 and 60 minute files on board dropped into the project.
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    Awesome! Glad to hear that it's all working out, despite that one problem with McAfee... If you don't mind and your client doesn't mind, I'd love to see your work when you're all finished!


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    p.s. Don't forget that if you're shifting between inside and outside frequently it may not be a bad idea to set up your C1, C2 and C3 modes to accommodate to the environment. Perhaps one for outside, one for inside and then use the third one for Shade if you're outside more than in, or a secondary interior one with low light settings punched in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikehillman89
    If you don't mind and your client doesn't mind, I'd love to see your work when you're all finished!

    Mike, Unfortunately, I won't be able to show all of this finished product because I can't release pictures of inmates and some of the security tactics. But I am planning on putting together a version withoutany security sensitive elements in it. After all, I will probably have 2-3 months work on this thing, I should be able to show someone---right [8-|]. I will also be adding some historical stuff from publicdomain, so I don't think that will be an issue. My entireidea is kind of a "Cause and Effect" type theme. So I will be using hiostorical footage of prison disturbances for the Cause part and the modern tactical response for the Effect part. Add a little AC/DC and some Kid Rock in the back ground and I am hoping to produce something that showcases ourofficers and motivates young people to join the team----Thats the idea anyway---


    Any thoughts?





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    Oh Bob, I don't know if this is mentioned already, but if you're planning on shooting large amounts of video...you might want to make sure you've got enough batterypower. Get at least 1 spare battery if you don't want to miss anything. I noticed that my battery definitely gets a hard punch when I shoot video.


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    Re: Video with a 7D



    Quote Originally Posted by Sheiky
    you might want to make sure you've got enough batterypower




    Thanks Jan, Luckily I have 4 batteries, so I am hoping to be ok on that end, But I will definitely monitor my battery situation closely,


    Thanks


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    Hi Mike,


    I've never met anyone who has edited 5D Mark II video files in full 1080 on a MacBook. Are you doing that? If so, I tip my hat to you





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