thanks Nate for the information! I'v been thinking going to San Joaquin Wildlife Sanctuary in Irvine for long time because I'v seen some great shots you took there, it's not too far from where I live, I'll go there to shoot later for sure. I don't know Salton sea though, I will google it out. I went to shoot California brown pelican in La jolla in Jan. this year just because you mentioned it here. I got up so early like you did and drove about 1.5h in dark just by myself, but I had a great time shooting there, I hadn't gone home till my wife and my twins(crying) called me......[:|] thanks again!