Thanks for the feedback. I checked out the 190CXPRO4. I'm not sold on the swivel center post. Don't see that as something I would ever use, and seems like extra weight to me. I can't find one similar without the swivel. Am I just missing it? Also need a head. I really am looking for something with an arca plate type mount, don't really want QR. I use a peak design belt clamp system that also works on clamp type ball heads.