6D Announced (sort of)

[Dr Croubie]

Edit, it's official: http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/about_...01e0248065d8c4
(but i can't change the title).
Turns out there's no touchscreen (at least it wasn't mentioned in the press release, you'd think they would if there was one), but most of the rest of the specs look right.
http://www.usa.canon.com/cusa/profes...Specifications

Well, it's the 17th for me, and it's being announced on the 17th.
CR says Adorama accidentally let it get preordered yesterday.

So, with 20MP sensor (completely new, so must be on a cheap process, I wonder how good it is?), 11pt AF with f/2.8 centre cross (is this any better than the 5D2?), 'weather sealed' as far as whatever that blanket statement means, 4.5fps, SD card (is this what's so 'entry-level' about it? or is my investment in CF getting nails in its coffin?), and Builtin Wifi+GPS (as to all the arguments in past bodies about how they "can't do it because of radio laws being different around the world', that seems to have gone).
Is this better then the 5D2? Looks about the same to me, at least on the specs that count.

So, let the speculation begin, as will the threads of "6D or 5D2?"

[HDNitehawk]

So, let the speculation begin, as will the threads of "6D or 5D2?"

Possibly a 20mp sensor with the same technology as the 1D X?

Who is running Canon's marketing? They should have cleared the 5D II out of the supply chain before they released this body. If marketing was doing its job properly the only 6D vs 5D II threads we should be seeing are 6D vs used 5D II threads.

[neuroanatomist]

I expect they'll discontinue the 5DII at this point.

[HDNitehawk]

I expect they'll discontinue the 5DII at this point.

I think they already have. From what I hear the supply chain is drying up, possibly they will all be gone by the time this camera arrives.

But I would think that the marketing department would have gotten rid of all of the 5D II's before releasing a camera with a smaller sensor for more money than they are selling the 5D II for. By the rumored numbers the 5D II looks better, it will cost Canon quit a few pre-orders I am sure.

[Dave Throgmartin]

This camera is VERY unimpressive in my humble opinion and I think I'm pretty much their target market.

Canon's offering is completely non-competitive versus the D600. 6D = fail

Dave

[DavidEccleston]

Hmm. Will it have budget AI Servo performance? I can't imagine they'd cripple a 1 digit body too badly. This would be a more modern body to get over the 1Ds mk2 I just ordered. Potentially worthwhile for the extra resolution, extra ISO performance, self cleaning sensor, modern display, liveview, movies, etc.

I'm trying to decide if I should cancel, before they ship. When did buying things become so hard?!?

[Dr Croubie]

This camera is VERY unimpressive in my humble opinion and I think I'm pretty much their target market.
Canon's offering is completely non-competitive versus the D600. 6D = fail
Dave

I'm pretty much the target market too. APS-C user, 7D, wouldn't mind an FF upgrade, only 1 EF-s lens (15-85, although Sigma 8-16 probably counts too, easily sellable if i had to, or keep with 7D). Lots of cash invested in EF lenses (like 50/85/100/70-300L, the Samyang 35 counts too, and a lot of M42/OM lenses that aren't adaptable to nikon).

So I'm very underwhelmed by this too, i'd rather a decently used 5D2 and 24-105 for the same price, instead of a 6D body, especially if it means i don't need to 'upgrade' to SD cards too.

If I were serious about my FF photos on a budget, i'd definitely be considering D600. The money in Canon glass is definitely the main thing stopping me (besides, you know, mortgage and stuff), although the nice DPP workflow i've got going is hard to replace for me (on linux). Thankfully i've got my EOS 3, P6, and K60 to keep me busy with FF and 6x6 photos, i'm sitting this round out (unless I see a 1Ds2 under $1000, or a 5Dc under $500).
New canon body? See you when the 5D4 or 6D2 come out...

[DavidEccleston]

Out of curiosity what do you guys hate about it? The price is identical. The 1.5 FPS difference? The 4MP? The extra AF points? All of it put together? Something else?

[HDNitehawk]

Out of curiosity what do you guys hate about it? The price is identical. The 1.5 FPS difference? The 4MP? The extra AF points? All of it put together? Something else?

I think the Camera has it's place. If they had marketed it differently it would be accepted more favorably. If the 5D II was not available new right now this camera would have dropped right in a niche. No doubt they kept the 5D II in the market to fill the niche until this one came along. That is the problem, people will view this as a replacement to the 5D II not a camera filling a new void. As far as this body goes it doesn't really matter to me because I will probably never consider this camera in my kit, but maybe CAJ would have performed better in the last 9 months if marketing was more on the ball with body releases.

[Dr Croubie]

I don't mind it compared to a new 5D2, if the prices *were* identical there'd be no problem, and i'd probably even pick the 6D (if only because it'll have a new sensor, hopefully less noise?).

But a new 5D2 comes in under $2k these days, and used go down to $1200-1400 depending on condition. Against that, a new 6D can't compete, if it means getting a 24-105 'free' (as it were) for the price of a 6D body-only.
I don't care about fps or AF, that's what my 7D is for. Having to invest another $100 or so in SD cards also doesn't help the situation, it's like this 6D is for people upgrading from xxD and xxxD, and not for 7D owners. (although then there's another paradox, lower-end body owners are more likely to have Efs glass, 7D owners might have more FF-compatibles)