Help Wanted -- 5D Mark II or 1D Mark IV?

**Chris White** · 06-04-2010, 12:32 PM

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<p class="MsoNormal"]Here is a debate I have not seen yet. I realize these are
two different cameras and are more complementary than similar. I know there are
many 5D shooters in the forums; I do not know how many of you use the 1D Mark
IV.
<p class="MsoNormal"]My body now is a 50D, which I will be retaining for the foreseeable
future. My main subjects are my moving children and their sports, which the 50D
does well with and I know the 1D Mark IV will excel at. I have been saving
towards one since I first read Bryan’s review. I am looking for better low
light performance for things like my daughter’s dance recital.
<p class="MsoNormal"]Where I am running into a tempting detour is at the 5D Mark
II. I have enough to order it today with the current rebate being offered as
the gentle push. Moreover, I have seen the advice in the forums, and generally
agree with it, that the best equipment is that which is in your hands.

<span style="font-family: Symbol;"]<span> Does anyone have an opinion on how the 1D Mark IV
does in low light compared to the 5D Mark II?

<span style="font-family: Symbol;"]<span><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman';"]
I know the 1D Mark IV has the better AF system
in general, but how is it in low light?

<span style="font-family: Symbol;"]<span><span style="font: 7pt 'Times New Roman';"]
How do images from the 1.3 H sensor compare to
the full frame, especially cropped?

<p class="MsoNormal"]I am getting by currently with the 50D, so I certainly could
wait to pull the trigger. I am looking for thoughts whether to get the 5D<span> Mark II, which would put me back to ground
zero towards the 1D Mark IV, or continue my original path and keep the 1D Mark
IV goal moving forward.
<p class="MsoNormal"]Thank you for your thoughts,
<p class="MsoNormal"]Chris

**Brendan7** · 06-04-2010, 01:35 PM

If you needed a 1D Mark IV you wouldn't be asking this question.

Anyways, I suggest you buy the 7D and 5D2. The 7D does 95% of what the 1D4 does for $3000 less. Use that $3000 to buy the 5D2 and you have 2 great bodies -- a great action body and a superb portrait body. BTW, both ARE weather-sealed: I've used my 7D and a friend's 5D2 in snow and heavy rain. No problem.

**mikehillman89** · 06-04-2010, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Brendan7

If you needed a 1D Mark IV you wouldn't be asking this question.

Anyways, I suggest you buy the 7D and 5D2. The 7D does 95% of what the 1D4 does for $3000 less. Use that $3000 to buy the 5D2 and you have 2 great bodies -- a great action body and a superb portrait body. BTW, both ARE weather-sealed: I've used my 7D and a friend's 5D2 in snow and heavy rain. No problem.
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Seconded.

**Chris White** · 06-04-2010, 02:08 PM

Thanks for the opinions Brendan and Mike.

Need is best viewed in perspective. The argument could be made that I did not need the 50D. I did consider the 7D, but for me the upgrade was not worth the expense. I have the grip and extra batteries for the 50D. By the time I add those to a 7D it makes it more expensive in an apples-to-apples comparison. In my real world shooting, I do not feel that I would see enough of a difference to justify the cost of a minor upgrade to me. The 40D to 50D question some had when the 50D came out.

With that in mind, I looked at the 5D Mark II, as complementing the 50D, for studio work and darker, slower moving venues. I would be expanding my options more than duplicating them.

Chris

**Brendan7** · 06-04-2010, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Chris White

but for me the upgrade was not worth the expense. I have the grip and extra batteries for the 50D. By the time I add those to a 7D it makes it more expensive in an apples-to-apples comparison. In my real world shooting, I do not feel that I would see enough of a difference to justify the cost of a minor upgrade to me.

I wouldn't call upgrading from a 50d to a 7d a minor upgrade. As peety3 said, "the 7d is light years ahead of the xxd bodies". Much better build, much better viewfinder, much better high ISO performance (1600 is actually USABLE!), much better AF, much better weather sealing, much better sharpness. Not a minor upgrade.

Originally Posted by Chris White

The 40D to 50D question some had when the 50D came out.

The 40D and 50D are almost the same camera. The 7D is nothing like the 40d or 50d. It's in a different class and costs $700 more for a reason.

However, I will notice you said it was a minor upgrade "for you" so I might think that you could sell your 50d and buy a 1D4. It might not be quite as good as a 5D2 at lowlight and high ISO photography, but it'll certainly handily outperform your 50d until a 5D2 (or 5D3) is a possible buy.

my 2¢

**mikehillman89** · 06-04-2010, 02:14 PM

Are you located in Canada?

**Brendan7** · 06-04-2010, 02:15 PM

And BTW, the 7D DOES do 95% of what the 1D4 does. It's all about how important that 5% is to you (are you going to dump your camera in frozen seawater, do you need 10fps instead of 8fps, etc).

**Chris White** · 06-04-2010, 02:33 PM

Originally Posted by mikehillman89

Are you located in Canada?
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No, close though, Buffalo, NY

**Chris White** · 06-04-2010, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by Brendan7

And BTW, the 7D DOES do 95% of what the 1D4 does. It's all about how important that 5% is to you (are you going to dump your camera in frozen seawater, do you need 10fps instead of 8fps, etc).
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Point taken Brendan. As nice as weather sealing is, I am either inside or out in good weather. In addition the 6+fps of my 50D was one of the things that was not worth the jump to the 7D, to me. I realize the difference to the 1D MkIV is $3000, and it is the 5% I am considering.

As it stands now I am always the father with the best camera. Sometimes, I have a better camera than the pro selling the photo package, like at my daughter's dance studio. I walked in to take some photos of the girls in their show costumes with my 50D/24-70 L and the hired-by-the-studio pro had a T1i/tamron. I realize good images can be made from this combination, but until I am using a 1 series I think the guy selling the photos should have gear at or better than mine. BTW, I made a quick photo shop image of my daughter and her friend with the group in between and printed a 8x10 for each of the girls and the quality of mine is better than his. And that is not just my opinion, it is my daughter's friends mother's.

Chris

**Brendan7** · 06-04-2010, 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by Chris White

I realize the difference to the 1D MkIV is $3000, and it is the 5% I am considering.

That's a heck of a lot of premium for 2fps and a bulkier body. Also remember, you could buy some serious glass for $3000!!!

Originally Posted by Chris White

As nice as weather sealing is, I am either inside or out in good weather. In addition the 6+fps of my 50D was one of the things that was not worth the jump to the 7D, to me.

I just mentioned weather sealing b/c many people buy 1D bodies for ruggedness. I just mentioned that the xD bodies share some of those qualities. If you want the 1D4, go for it! It's a superb camera and when you're debating between the 5D2, 1D4 and 7D you just can't go wrong. But I can tell you for a fact that the 7D is a major step up from the 50d. Nate upgraded his 40d to a 7D, maybe he could explain. Or peety3. Where are you??? (owns a 1D3, a 40d and several 7Ds).

Originally Posted by Chris White

walked in to take some photos of the girls in their show costumes with my 50D/24-70 L and the hired-by-the-studio pro had a T1i/tamron.

Wow. That's never happened to me. We hired a pro before I got a DSLR and he brought two Nikon D3X bodies with adjoining expensive nikkor lenses.

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