Lightroom 6 or CC

I do not know if others have upgraded, but after spending parts of the last day playing with it, LR 6 is looking good. I am liking the results from the in LR pano-merge and HDR ...but the real difference I am noticing is the processing speed has increased. LR now uses not only the CPU but also the GPU's processing abilities.

Need to play around a little more with the other new features

One quick note, it has created separate catalogs for a couple of projects I had ongoing in LR5. I haven't yet had an issue, but as an FYI.

I am getting it the minute I can upgrade my lr5 by purchasing.


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As I already had the Photography CC subscription, I just had to click install. Seems to work just as before. While it kept my export settings, it lost my display settings (ie: showing cropped res and exposure info briefly when switching images). It made duplicate upgraded catalogs as Kayaker pointed out.

For those on OS X, it says it needs 10.9 to use the GPU (I'm still on 10.8.5 for no particular reason other than "if it works, don't mess with it"). What sort of speed improvement are you seeing? What's your CPU and what's your GPU and RAM on each?

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Originally Posted by DavidEccleston

What sort of speed improvement are you seeing? What's your CPU and what's your GPU and RAM on each?

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Pretty much across the board most things are faster. Previously I had clocked my per photo "export" time at ~5-6 seconds per picture. I just tested it again and 10 photos where exported in ~14 seconds. So export is faster. I didn't really have complaints before, but what I am enjoying (in all of a bit more than a day of use) is changes I make in the develop module are shown more quickly. I wouldn't call them instantaneous, but, I would say I am seeing changes in under half the time I did before. So, approaching instantaneous.

I am running on a machine I built in 2011 but I upgraded the CPU last year:

• RAM: 8GB (DDR3 1600)
• CPU: AMD 8-Core 4.0 GHz (16 MB)
• GPU: GeForce 430 video card (DDR3 1GB)

The GPU was only intended to be adequate...but, as I said, I am pleased with the results. I am actually wondering now if I did upgrade my GPU if LR changes would be instantaneous.

Thanks Kayaker. Looks like I should upgrade my OS to take advantage of this. I was afraid only "top tier" cards would see a significant gain, but if you're seeing those gains with a 430, then this is awesome news for just about everybody.

I just updated from LR4. Not noticing any substantial changes in speed, but I am operating on an outdated PC I built in 2008 (with a few upgrades since).

I have been playing with the facial recognition. Seems to work ok. Although after I tagged the first person (my wife) it pretty much thought every other person was her. And it also seems to get tricked by patterns sometimes and identify random objects as people. After you put in the initial work to identity everyone, it does give you a nice way to filter images.

Haven't tried the HDR or pano stitching yet. Curious to see if the HDR is any better than the Merge to 32-bit HDR plug in that I use now.

Seems like some people are having issues getting the GPU enhanced performance. First step would be to make sure you have the most up to date driver for your GPU. Second step would be in lightroom, go to EDIT/Preferences/Performance and make sure the box is checked next to your Graphic Processor.

On that page is a link to an Adobe support page for GPU enhanced performance. There are minimum system requirements such as:

Minimum System Requirements

• 64-bit OS versions only
• OpenGL 3.3 and later
• Mac OS 10.9 and later
• Windows 7 and later

Note: Intel 4400 or later required
Note: GPU acceleration is disabled on Mac OS 10.8
Note: GPUs running under virtual machines are not tested or supported.

I haven't tried the face recognition software yet. Right now I am processing two trips with limited people shots. After I get back to family photos I'll give it a try.

The amount of information that Adobe gives you is crap.
No surprise as each time I have bought something from them it has been the same way.

I will qualify for the discounted Complete CC since I own one of the previous complete suites.
So what I am trying to figure out with CC.
Do you access it online each time you use it, or does it download and stay on the machine so you can work off line?
Is it only a cloud feature where you are uploading your files or does or can it all remain on your computer?
Can you use programs on other machines, for instance can I use it on the iMac at home and then utilize it on the Windows machine at work?
Or is it limited to only available on two computers like the old versions?

Thanks

The apps are downloaded and your files remain local. It needs to check-in one in a while to ensure the license is still valid. Their servers went down for a day or two a while back. People's apps still worked, but they lost the ability to use the Adobe Font stuff... that wanted to be able to check the license either on each use, or far too often. They may have fixed that, as it was a lot of bad press at the time. So, barring any extended outage of internet, you should be fine. The CC apps can be activated on two machines, just like the old apps. I'm pretty sure you can mix and match PC/Mac just like the old apps too.

Old apps needed you to deactivate your license on the machine to get the license back, into order to install it elsewhere. That sucked if your machine died. Now that they require the occasional phone-home, they should be able to give you back a lost license, once the previous phone-home time limit has expired... Though I'm not sure they offer that. This question was what put me off getting the Photography CC subscription when it was announced, as I'd just lost a PC and one of my Elements licenses. I only decided to switch to CC when I got the 7D2, since a new Elements or Lightroom would be the same price, except I'd have full Photoshop. I still only went for it after I realized that even if Adobe don't offer any way to get your licenses back, I could cancel at the end of a year and buy it again with a new email address to get 2 new licenses... so it's not the end of the world.

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Do you access it online each time you use it, or does it download and stay on the machine so you can work off line?

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Download it once, it is on your machine

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Is it only a cloud feature where you are uploading your files or does or can it all remain on your computer?

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Essentially behaves as it did when you bought the software. The software and all files are on my computer.

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Can you use programs on other machines, for instance can I use it on the iMac at home and then utilize it on the Windows machine at work?

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There is an option where you can sync files with the cloud and that allows you to sync between multiple devices. I believe their target is mobile devices, but I do not see why you couldn't do that with a work then home machine. In other words, if anything they seem to be encouraging the sharing of files between multiple devices. I do not use that feature, so am unsure of how well it works.

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Or is it limited to only available on two computers like the old versions?

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I am not sure. I found the 2 device reference online which referred to specific sections of the T&C...the current T&C's no longer read that way. But I only use on one device.

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The apps are downloaded and your files remain local. It needs to check-in one in a while to ensure the license is still valid. Their servers went down for a day or two a while back. People's apps still worked, but they lost the ability to use the Adobe Font stuff... that wanted to be able to check the license either on each use, or far too often. They may have fixed that, as it was a lot of bad press at the time. So, barring any extended outage of internet, you should be fine. The CC apps can be activated on two machines, just like the old apps. I'm pretty sure you can mix and match PC/Mac just like the old apps too.

Old apps needed you to deactivate your license on the machine to get the license back, into order to install it elsewhere. That sucked if your machine died. Now that they require the occasional phone-home, they should be able to give you back a lost license, once the previous phone-home time limit has expired... Though I'm not sure they offer that. This question was what put me off getting the Photography CC subscription when it was announced, as I'd just lost a PC and one of my Elements licenses. I only decided to switch to CC when I got the 7D2, since a new Elements or Lightroom would be the same price, except I'd have full Photoshop. I still only went for it after I realized that even if Adobe don't offer any way to get your licenses back, I could cancel at the end of a year and buy it again with a new email address to get 2 new licenses... so it's not the end of the world.

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All I can add to this is my computer crashed, I re-downloaded LR no problem. Could be because I only was using it on one device. I've lost power/internet for a few days in a row and was still using lightroom on generator power.

The handshake thing makes sense. The only issue I've run into was if I changed my password online, I needed to logout and log back into the Creative Suite app to make sure I was logged in with the current password. A bit odd, but this happened while I was downloading LR 6/cc. Lightroom 5.7 opened just fine, but LR 6/cc would not.

I remember reading somewhere that the software will check your license once every 30 days, so if you are without internet for several weeks, you can still use your software. When I first got LR5 on my laptop, I did go without internet for 2 weeks and still was able to use LR as needed.

Lightroom 5 appears to have installed as stand-alone, while LR6 integrates with creative cloud... so LR5 might not have phoned home. Still, I'd like to see details about what the every 30 days means. If it only checks every 30 days, and on day 29 you go on a trip or your internet dies, you're out of luck after a day. If it checks daily, but is willing to accept 30 days of not hearing back, then you're always good for a 30 day outage/trip.

Alright. I just upgraded to OS X Yosemite (10.10.3), and now have GPU acceleration for LR. i7 3.4GHz, 24GB 1600MHz DDR3, GeForce GTX 675MX 1GB.

... and it's odd. The main basic sliders (white balance, exposure, highlights, shadows, etc. + curves) are all instant... sort-of. Temp/Tint/Exposure are instant, and that *is* awesome. Anything that changes the curve (highlight/shadow/whites/blacks/curves) throws away detail temporarily, which then fades back in after you're done adjusting. This could make it hard to do minor tweaks. Noise reduction takes a while to kick in... that's no better than it was, I think.

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... and it's odd. The main basic sliders (white balance, exposure, highlights, shadows, etc. + curves) are all instant... sort-of. Temp/Tint/Exposure are instant, and that *is* awesome. Anything that changes the curve (highlight/shadow/whites/blacks/curves) throws away detail temporarily, which then fades back in after you're done adjusting. This could make it hard to do minor tweaks. Noise reduction takes a while to kick in... that's no better than it was, I think.

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That is odd. I just checked and I am not seeing the loss of detail. The Noise reduction feature may be a bit faster than before, but not by much.

I think they mentioned in one of their videos that some previews are 1024 wide for non-Retina, and 2048 wide for Retina. With a 2560x1440 non-Retina display, I've got well over 1024 pixels even after taking away space for the tools. I thought those limits only applied to the new panorama and HDR tools, but perhaps any GPU enhanced preview is affected.

Okay, this has been out for a while and the newness should now be worn off. Those who have it, is it worth the upgrade from 5? Any faster? I know that people have said it is faster in some respects, but trust everyone here's opinion a little more than internet reviews.

I found how to get the upgrade price of $79 off the adobe site and am tossing around the idea of upgrading this week.

Thanks!

Will Bryan or Sean be doing a review of LR6?

I bought the upgrade but I'm hard pressed to notice any speed difference, even with my compatible graphics chip. It's probably faster than LR5, but I have to confess that the real reason I upgraded is because I can't stand to have something that is not the latest-and-greatest (whether I need it or not). It's a hopeless affliction that I think more than a few of you can relate to.... :rolleyes:

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I bought the upgrade but I'm hard pressed to notice any speed difference, even with my compatible graphics chip. It's probably faster than LR5, but I have to confess that the real reason I upgraded is because I can't stand to have something that is not the latest-and-greatest (whether I need it or not). It's a hopeless affliction that I think more than a few of you can relate to.... :rolleyes:

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Honestly, I think that is my problem also and will probably upgrade anyway. :-) Trying to make it right in my head before I buy though.

Jonathan, you needed LR6 in order to get support your upcoming 5Ds.

(Don't pretend you haven't pre-ordered one...) ;)

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real reason I upgraded is because I can't stand to have something that is not the latest-and-greatest (whether I need it or not). It's a hopeless affliction that I think more than a few of you can relate to.... :rolleyes:

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hahahaha.....never.......oh wait :rolleyes:



Jayson....the in LR Pano and HDR tools are nice. Especially since I do most of my work in LR. I am seeing things as faster, especially exporting photos. But I will say, now when I have LR open, it seems to be frequently pushing my CPU and putting off some heat. Even when I am not doing much I occasionally hear the fan racing.

So there are some nice enhancements. But, honestly, this is not a "must have." But, there are a few nice little "latest and greatest" bells and whistles.

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Jonathan, you needed LR6 in order to get support your upcoming 5Ds.

(Don't pretend you haven't pre-ordered one...) ;)

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Busted! Oh and when does the 1DX II come out for preorder....? Just asking for a friend.....

So now that people have had a month of use of LR6/CC, is it worth the upgrade? I still use LR4, PS CC (subscription), Photomatrix, and a bunch of other apps for LR. Using a fairly new PC w/ SSD's as the main drives.

Is your graphics card relatively new and capable? If so, moving on up to Lightroom CC is a great idea. However, I actually experienced a performance drop after the last LR update because the software had been redesigned to take advantage of the GPU on new video cards; mine is too old/underpowered to qualify.

So it looks like my older video card is supported and will have a performance boost (an ATI V7900). I will go ahead and install this weekend.

Sean, would you have stayed with lr5 had you known of the performance drop or is it still worth the update? I have an unsupported card also and have been going back and forth on the thought. I have a mb pro from 2011 so no card update here.


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Oddly enough, I was just editing the lastest wedding I shot and I'm not experiencing the same performance slowdowns.

I have two theories on why that is:

1) Adobe released an updat that addressed some of the performance issues or
2) The performance issues come about later in the processing workflow. For instance, once 100 images are edited, the program must compile all those edits and store them in memory. If you're early in the editing process, there are less edits for the program to buffer.

I have no idea if #2 is even plausible, but I won't know until I get about halfway through the edits.

From what I've experienced early on in this most recent wedding, I'd go with the most recent version of LR. Stay tuned.

Staying tuned.


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And in the newest development, a whole new version of Lightroom CC is available (2015). That may change the formula even more.

You'll have to give me the rundown when you have a chance. I have about 2k pictures to go through from the last couple of weekends and am thinking of upgrading my version to use some of the HDR and pano tools. If it is still slow, I may just stick with what I have.

I just installed Lightroom 6.0.1, which is an update to fix a couple of bugs. It doesn't seem to offer any performance improvements. My impression is that LR6 is definitely slower than version 5. I'm running it on a new laptop with a compatible GPU enabled, and I also have a fast SSD for the program files. My images are on an external drive, as has always been the case for me. Maybe things will get better with subsequent updates..? I've tried the program both with and without the GPU enabled, and it seems to make no difference. I'm not doing any scientific (or even unscientific) tests here... just completely subjective.

Thanks for the input Jonathan. My version 5 is pretty slow compared to 4, so I can only imagine the difference I would have with version 6. Might switch to using acr like I use to and see if there is any speed difference. I think they are pretty much the same when it comes to development.


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