Software Recommendations

[bob williams]

@brant, Just for fun, try looking at Youtube for some Lightroom tutorials, there are several on there and it might help your decison process. If you actually do buy Lightroom, You should get several "coupons" of which you can choose one. When I bought mine, I chose a 30 day subscription to Lynda.com, which has some great and very indepth LR tutorials among other things.

Good luck,

[btaylor]

My favourite LR3 shortcut is the "L" button.

It dims the rest of the screen on the first press, then totally blackens it on the next press. This makes is so much easier to check your crop, colours etc etc as you don't have the distracting elements around the screen.

[neuroanatomist]

I put together a quick comparison example of some popular RAW converters. I expect the primary difference in RAW converters is how they handle noise and color, and secondarily, how they handle lens corrections. For example, one reason I prefer DxO to ACR is that the former bases the lens corrections (distortion, vignetting, etc.) on controlled lab testing, whereas ACR's lens profiles are sometimes based on user-submitted results (subject to variation in lighting, etc.). Obviously, another important point is ease of workflow.

For a comparison, I picked a test image with a fair bit of noise - an ISO 3200 shot from the 7D. This shot simulated real-world high-ISO use, i.e. I used ND filters to reduce the illumination, rather than a fast shutter speed in bright light (as is commonly used in ISO noise testing, and results in lower read noise that isn't necessarily reflective of real-world shots). Shot was with the 7D and EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II @ 85mm, 1/60 s, f/5.6.

The same RAW image was converted to JPG with Canon's own DPP, DxO Optics Pro, Adobe Camera RAW (in CS5), and Apple Aperture 3. The appropriate camera and lens correction modules were used where available as part of the converter (i.e. all except Aperture 3, where you need a separate plugin).

Unfortunately, different RAW converters use different algorithms and the relative settings mean different things in different programs - so, there's really no way to meaningfully compare across settings. The approach I took was to assume that the developers of the software know their software best, and chose default settings optimal for the camera and ISO setting - obviously, they're going to be biased to what the developers think a good image looks like, but at least it's a baseline for comparison. For DPP default, I used the Standard Picture Style (the 'no adjustment' image used Neutral).

Here's what the output looks like (click for larger - 1600 pixels wide, which are 100% crops; warning: ~6 MB download):



Personally, my order of preference is DxO > DPP > Aperture > Adobe Camera RAW. ACR looks grainy and oversaturated to me, and with Aperture the contrast is on the low side. Again, these are just the default settings - with specific, image-dependent adjustments better results are certainly possible with any of the packages.

[Sheiky]

Nice comparison John! Of course I want to know more about it

For example, one reason I prefer DxO to ACR is that the former bases the lens corrections (distortion, vignetting, etc.) on controlled lab testing, whereas ACR's lens profiles are sometimes based on user-submitted results (subject to variation in lighting, etc.). Obviously, another important point is ease of workflow.

Is that really a bad thing? The photos I take aren't really controlled lab photos either. I'm pretty sure DxO cannot do any better or worse on some of the photos I shot. Simply because they are so specific. Or does it read the focusing distance and correct for that as well? Distortion on a wide angle lens for a simple landscape shouldn't be too hard to correct, but what if there's an element close to the lens that is in focus?
Also ease of workflow is an important reason? Why is that? Is DxO easier than for example LR where I apply changes during the import of my photos? I cannot imagine a more simplified method, it's one click on the button.

Personally, my order of preference is DxO > DPP > Aperture > Adobe Camera RAW. ACR looks grainy and oversaturated to me, and with Aperture the contrast is on the low side.

One thing that catches my eye immediately is the DxO picture. What happened with the "dirty white" part? The part under the "30" sign. DxO seems to wash it out completely where all of the others leave it alone. In high key images this could be fatal for details. Any idea what this is about? That's one reason I shouldn't put DxO on top

If I compare the DPP no adjustment to DxO, I notice a little sharpening(which results in graininess), a little more saturation, a brown tint(different than all others) and washed out "dirty white"(also different than all the others)
If I compare the DPP no adjustment to ACR I notice more sharpening(which results in even more graininess), and a definite increase of saturation it also has a slight brown tint, but not nearly as brown as DxO.

Again, it's hard to make any conclusions by looking at this shot, since I have no clue what the original looks like. But I would personally worry about the washed out part.


About LR: I have tried the L button now and I love it! Thanks for the tip Ben!

[HDNitehawk]

John

Why is the DxO sample so brown? Which is the closest to matching the actual real color?

[Kayaker72]

John,

Thanks for the effort. It is very interesting to see the different results.

Brant

[Kayaker72]

Hi Everyone....thanks for the tips. I have been pretty busy lately and am only now really getting around to testing the different software. I am comparing DPP, DXO 7 and LR3. Often all of you see things that I miss in photos, so I am interested to know what you see in the following pictures. I took three different shots all within the last week and I have processed them in each software with no modification, simply going to the RAW to jpg converter.

We rescued Stella recently. My wife has bought her several toys, but she loves this box:
Canon 7D, EFS 15-85 @ 70 mm, 1/60 sec, f/6.3, ISO 100, 580 II bounced off ceiling

DPP


LR3


And DXO


Frankly, I am surprised by how different the result is from each software.

[cls]

I took three different shots all within the last week and I have processed them in each software with no modification, simply going to the RAW to jpg converter.
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Frankly, I am surprised by how different the result is from each software.

Hi, if I understand you correct, that comparison isn't really fair in my opinion. As I understand it, you convert to JPEG in each tool without any adjustments. This means that LR and DxO will use some general default setting while DPP uses the exact setting you used for the shots. LR and DxO don't know any picture style, ALO or other settings that you preferred for the shots. DPP has all that info. Of course, this is an advantage that DPP has also in real life, but for comparison of the conversion you should consider applying settings for LR and DxO that are similar to the ones used in DPP.

[HDNitehawk]

Hi Everyone....thanks for the tips. I have been pretty busy lately and am only now really getting around to testing the different software. I am comparing DPP, DXO 7 and LR3. Often all of you see things that I miss in photos, so I am interested to know what you see in the following pictures. I took three different shots all within the last week and I have processed them in each software with no modification, simply going to the RAW to jpg converter.

We rescued Stella recently. My wife has bought her several toys, but she loves this box:
Canon 7D, EFS 15-85 @ 70 mm, 1/60 sec, f/6.3, ISO 100, 580 II bounced off ceiling

DPP


LR3


And DXO


Frankly, I am surprised by how different the result is from each software.

DxO seems to have saturated the picture and has more of a red tint to it. It also added light. Living in Oklahoma and having to contend with the red dirt tint you have in landscapes here, adding more red tint is a big negative.

When I tried DxO two years ago, one of the things I did not like about it is that it seemed to change the colors. Another thing I remember is that once processed the JPEG did not look like what was represented on DxO's preview screen. Maybe DxO has made some improvements, I just haven't seen a comparison yet that made me want to switch from DPP.

[Kayaker72]

Canon 7D, EFS 15-85 @ 70 mm, 1/60 sec, f/6.3, ISO 100, 580 II bounced off ceiling

DPP


LR3


And DXO

I am playing with DXO tonight. Attached is the same photo from DXO with all adjustments turned off. I've processed a couple of photos with everything turned off. DXO is sometimes faster (this photo was 9 sec) but other times is still in the ~30 sec per photo range.