I think he may be referencing noise characteristics, color and contrast and probably nothing more (my guess).
I think he may be referencing noise characteristics, color and contrast and probably nothing more (my guess).
Originally Posted by HDNitehawk
Well, I think we all would have been rightfully skeptical had he said it was better than the 5DIII and 1DX. So the comment, for ISO 100-400, is an observation that is in the upper range that I would expect. While there are specific photos I took with the 7D where I would not be able to tell the difference between it and the 5DIII, but to be consistently as good, even in that ISO range, would be an IQ improvement, IMO.
Thus far we have hands on observations from Kelby, B&H, and Morris. I am encouraged as each has said something about IQ improvements. But, until we have production models in the hands of Rick, Sean, and, especially, Bryan, they are just positive observations of beta models.
As to what he could have meant, I think Joel is probably right. Going with DXO, the 5DIII and 1DX outperform the 7D/70D by 1-2 stops in noise, color sensitivity, and tonal range. Low ISO DR is similar (within a half a stop EV), according to DXO, from ISO 100-400. But, if Canon has closed the gap in all of these a bit, good. Going back in this thread, if what Morris is observing relates to bringing some of the D series "magic" (analog amplification, color rendition, microcontrast, etc) to the 7DII. Then great.
We'll see. Overall, I am not expecting something revolutionary. I didn't watch all of Kelby's videos, but scrolled through enough to hear him call the 7DII "the best cropped sensor camera on the market by far" several times. If that is accurate, great. But the disclaimer of "cropped sensor camera" was obvious.
I still doubt I will get one. There is a chance that the 7DII will be part of the most cost effective way for me to get more reach (>400 mm). But I am most interested in seeing Canon produce great products, and watch any improvement made filter up into a 5DIV. Which, I still may not get. I was going through photos I shot of my niece yesterday and I am really not sure I need (maybe even want) more of anything from my camera. The photographer still needs work, but the camera, maybe not. Maybe an even better spread of the AF points as I like to put my subject in the side of the frame.
Last edited by Kayaker72; 10-10-2014 at 11:40 AM.
That would be great, those are big items. ISO Noise discussion is meaningless at those levels unless you are a DR nut who likes to underexpose.
The same statement Arthur Morris made could have been made with the 7D vs 5D or 1D IV. The big difference with the 7D was firmware, you had to PP more to get the 7D to those levels. Still the crop will never be able to bring the full range of IQ to the table as a FF will. To me ISO, DR, Resolution are just parts of the IQ package. There is also the abilities of the lens and the aperture. The DOF you can create with a FF. With the FF you have the complete palate of items to work with. With a crop you are limited.
Looking at this 7D II why wouldn't the reviewers rave. It appears to have almost all the features of the high end camera in a body that cost $1799. That's the best bargain I have seen from Canon.
The negatives of the original 7D and why I chose the 1D IV over it were;
AF the 1D IV was better, 98% hit rate compared to 90% with the 7D and 5D II.
AF it took to long to focus with the big tele's
The pictures were flat and I spent to much time PP to bring them up to 1D IV standards
Micro-contrast is better on the 1D IV
So far from the reviews it appears 2 out of 4 have improved.
Why I am looking at buying it;
$1799 is less than 12% of the cost of my super-tele equipment. It is an accessory and worth checking out.
Focal length limited situations.
I am tired of carrying all the weight.
I would not consider buying this body at all if I wanted it for the following;
Taking pictures of the family, the t5i is much more versatile with its flip screen.
Primary creative camera, its crop no way.
Video, maybe, but the flip screen is a huge benefit.
Maybe, but don't underestimate the importance of the customizability of Movie AF in the 7D Mark II. That feature, in particular, will be extremely valuable to me.
The 70D doesn't allow you to customize how it performs in Movie AF mode. You can't choose for the AF to stay locked onto a subject and to transition more slowly from one subject to another. In my opinion, these features make the 7D Mark II a better tool for video. The results should allow the camera to produce shots much more like traditional focus pulls. And these features makes clean, natural-looking focusing while using a Glidecam possible.
I saw that feature and it looked very interesting.
When I bought a digital body 6 years ago I was making a wildlife photography commitment. I almost decided to go video, I didn't realize I would have both options.
Previous bodies like the 5D II I found useless for video. To hard to use.
The wife has a t4i and I like using it for video. AF works better and is much smoother.
It would be nice if the 7D II is a bigger improvement.
Maybe I will do more video.
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